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So in general we count overcards as 0.5 outs each?

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To start with it's reasonable. But we all know it depends. On the earlier betting, the texture of the board and your opponents.

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Before this gets overlooked, I think the OP had a typo or misread here - it's usually 1.5 each, not 0.5.

And Nick makes a good point - it can sometimes be more, sometimes less, depending upon opponents, the board, etc.

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I assume he ment 0.5 out/overcard = 0.5*3 = 1.5

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Yes I did. thanks for the replies. Think I'm getting it now.

OK one more scenario to see if I'm grasping this

Hero is in CO with A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], he raises, SB calls, everyone else folds.

Flop comes down 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

SB checks, so now we have the BDFD for 1.5 outs and we would count our overcards as 6 outs here since TPTk would likely win this pot since it is headsup and the flop is not co-ordinated ???

Assume no reads on SB.