ok everyone seems to have misinterpreted my 5d comment, so ill explain:

im not suggesting that im GOING for a flush, but rather that there is a chance that someone else is.

if i had, say 5c5h in my hand, and the 5d came down on the turn, it would be nowhere near as powerful a hand due to the flush possibility, and it would open me up to all kinds of backdoor redraws on the flush in the times i was ahead.

also, wouldnt it be correct for analysing the possibility of a flop raise behind me with 2 players to go in terms of percentages for implied odds? (seriously im asking here)

eg. in a hypothetical situation:

you are getting current odds of 3-1 on a call

you need implied odds of 10-1 to make your call +ev based on your ~ outs

but, you feel there is a 20% chance one of the remaining players will raise?

thus, your implied odds needed are instead:

10:1.2
or 12:1

(Please comment on ^ that bit not the rest)

here i consider the possibility of a raise to be 10%-15%, thus

about 12.5-1?

minus .5 for the times i double gutshot, or get a free river and spike the 5 for 12-1?

is 12-1 anywhere near it?