[Jeffro]

John I'm going to agree with you here. I made a post here a couple weeks ago about what a loose game is. When I started playing live in a 2-4 game, it was almost always 5-7 players seeing every flop, and a chop about once every two hours, these games do not even play close to the same. I have over 10,000 hands at paradise at 2-4 and let me see when I get home to see if I can extract some numbers.