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Old 05-01-2003, 10:00 AM
bernie bernie is offline
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Default Re: Why oh why...!!

"and I think the button is incorrect to call with gutshot or flush draw? So, if he (or the SB) has those hands, I can punish him on the turn!"

id call this with a flush draw, and be correct in doing so. what if you dont get your FH on the turn, but the flush draw gets there. then what? mind you, if you bet/raise the flop, it's not going to stop the turn card from coming anyway. but it doesnt seem your planning ahead with all the possibilities. only the possibilities that benefit you. almost as if you think because you have a set, that it's unbeatable to a degree. your description of your reasoning is saying this as there's no mention of what happens if you may fall behind on the turn. you may also be behind on the flop. did you consider that possibility?

of course, getting sets cracked cures this as youll realize how vulnerable it can be. but sets are also very dynamic as they have many ways to play them.

however, you make a good point that the streets are getting bet anyway. so the draws are being charged. it's just a matter of picking your spot. a raise on the turn, the draws will still come. theyll think you may only have tripped up and that if they hit their flush it would be good. they wont put you on a huge hand. you had a free play in the blind. and as one poster mentioned, you cant charge the draws once they miss. even if they are drawing dead.

preflop...
play as you want, but remember, you arent representing as big a hand postflop as you would be if you had raised.

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