[Siegmund]

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i'm interested more in which hands, straight up without any consideration of playing ability or playing style, are better...


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You can't take the playing style out of it. The list of hands that are best vs tight agressive opponents is different than the list vs loose passive ones. The list of hands also changes with the number of players at the table.

There are hands that are near the top of everyone's list (AA, KK, QQ, AKs) and near the bottom of everyone's list (83, 82, 72, 32 and their friends). All the hands in between WILL be in radically different places depending what criteria you use. There ISN'T any one "right list."

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and again, how would this overvalue suited connectors if they actually do win more often than TT as you imply? if the numbers indicated that this was in fact the case, why would you not be inclined to accept that as truth?


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If you're in a game packed to the gills with limpers and calling stations, it's the truth that suited connectors are very valuable. If you're in a game where every hand is raised preflop and two or three people are taking the flop, 87s is just two random pieces of cardboard. The list based on 9 random hands all going to the river will (very, very) badly mislead you about the value of suited connectors and cost you a whooole lot of money if you follow it in a real game that's not loose-passive.