this must be a wild game with the ante size and bring in. no wonder the players are crazy. they may not even be playing incorrectly, since in an 8 handed game you are already getting 2-1 to call the bring in.

the call on third is clearly correct, although it might surprise some people. but if you were suited and all would call then you should definitely raise.

on fourth street you should call to see waht fifth street brings. if you fill then great, and some of these players might back off on fifth after making their "plays" on fourth street. if it is only one bet on fifth and you think you are behind, or even two bets possibly, you might be able to play if all are in since you might have correct odds to draw to a boat. if you think you are beaten already, and if you have the best hand you should raise on fifth.

this is one hell of a tough hand i think. by the way i will be in italy for the next ten days.

Pat