Thanks Buzz. It was very interesting to note some of the other player's reactions to the maniac and I can see from your analysis why this is an important consideration. One obviously when on tilt and went through about $500 in less than an hour. Another was using your idea about reraising to isolate the maniac (who several times rereraised with total crap like 3578) and seemed to be fairing the best. Another tried to become a jr. maniac by betting most hands and raising a large number of those.