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Old 09-28-2004, 08:46 PM
arabie arabie is offline
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Default Re: Problem with outs....

okay, lets say Hero has Ah Jh on the button
UTG (Ad 5h) folds, UTG+1 (7h 2h) folds, UTG+2 (Jd Jc) calls, MP1 (Kh 4h) folds, MP2 (As 3h) calls, CO (10s 9h) calls, Hero raises, SB (7d 4d) calls, BB (Ac 3s) folds. Everyone else calls.

Flop (11 SB): 10h 2d 6s
UTG+2 bets, MP2 folds, CO raises, (14 SB) Hero?

now i've got:
1.5 outs for backdoor striaght
1.5 outs for backdoor flush
1.5 outs for each overpair
=6 outs needing 6.7:1 to see the turn.
the pot is offering 7:1 thereby justifying the call.
Now, 7 hearts are missing, 3 aces are missing, 1 king is missing for my backdoor straight, and 2 jacks are missing.

Now are my odds still correct to call? don't forget this includes the fact the overpair outs have been cut down because they will only make the best hand about half the time (on top of sometimes putting me in a dominated situation).
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