thanks cj for that info and thankyou for for the offer of coming to this forum if im stuck and have questions. im rereading the advanced 7 card book througly until second nature.with more knowledge ill play 5-10 or 10-20 to gain expeience and understanding of what i read and absorbed.and i understand that the real book is theory of poker and then u can understand the complex game of poker. cj have u noticed that u quote alot of your replies in this forum from those books. i would lke 2 be in that position also where knowledge at the appropiat situation can be used. thanks