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ramjam
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Re: The Sklansky-Karlson All In No Limit Holdem Rankings [Re: Boris]
      #383613 - 10/24/03 07:20 PM

I think it's primarily a function of the number of dominating hands that BB could hold given the cards that SB holds:

-AKs could face 6 (3 AA + 3 KK) whereas QQ could face 12 (6 AA + 6 KK);
-JJ could face 18 (6 AA + 6 KK + 6 QQ) whereas AQs could face 24 (3 AA + 6 KK + 3 QQ + 12 AK).


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Re: The Sklansky-Karlson All In No Limit Holdem Rankings [Re: David Sklansky]
      #383639 - 10/24/03 07:55 PM

Yes, I took the cards out of the deck, and yes, the BB could call as a slight underdog.

I have specific data such as which hands will call the raise and their odds of winning, if people find any particular result fishy. I'll try to post the AQs / JJ data at some point.

My name is Victor Chubukov. I'll put my coordinates in message for you, David.

For those that think they may know me, I'm a student at Berkeley and semi-regularly play in the 15/30 at Oaks Club.


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Re: The Sklansky-Karlson All In No Limit Holdem Rankings [Re: Boris]
      #383652 - 10/24/03 08:16 PM

I don't have a great answer to this question.

I think the danger of running in to AK may be the key. AQs will win about 43% of the time that it's called, and AKs, 46%, if that helps.


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Re: The Sklansky-Karlson All In No Limit Holdem Rankings [Re: karlson]
      #383679 - 10/24/03 08:48 PM

Not to be a dick, David, but it seems it should be the Karlson-Sklansky ratings, wouldn't you agree?

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Re: The Sklansky-Karlson All In No Limit Holdem Rankings [Re: karlson]
      #383683 - 10/24/03 08:53 PM

Hi Karlson,
Could someone point me to the thread that originated this line of inquiry?

I'm still trying to figure out the exact scenario being analyzed and why it's important enough to offer a reward for the answer.

Sincerely,
AA


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Re: The Sklansky-Karlson All In No Limit Holdem Rankings [Re: AmericanAirlines]
      #383690 - 10/24/03 09:10 PM

The "Important No Limit Math Problem" also posted by Sklanski. In that he asked, how big a stack could a player in the SB push all-in (after all other players had folded) in a game with 1-2 Blinds, flip over his cards to show the BB and still be making a +EV play

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Re: The Sklansky-Karlson All In No Limit Holdem Rankings [Re: Nottom]
      #383707 - 10/24/03 09:36 PM

Hi Nottom,
Thanks much.

Sincerely,
AA


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Re: checks: A8o, T8s, QTo. [Re: David Sklansky]
      #383969 - 10/25/03 07:57 AM

I would also appreciate if someone would double check some of these results by hand.

I've checked a couple, and they looked real solid.

Am I right in assuming that you took into account that lessor hands will be called by two card holdings that are slightly worse?

I would have to know the criterea for including marginal hands to get a precise check. For example, in the famous A8o problem, I selected all hands with a greater than .5 EV against A8o. I came up with 134 hands ( out of 1225). These included A8s but not the other A8o's. I think A8s's were excluded from the original problem.

At any rate, A8o had an avg. EV of .32455 against the 134 hands. x = 73.457, which was very close to 72.472.

Using the same methodology, T8s yielded an x = 20.98 vs. 17.6. (T8s's EV against 700/1225 hands was .4186.)

QTo produced an x= 32.01997083 vs 30.036653.


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PS [Re: Phat Mack]
      #383970 - 10/25/03 08:05 AM

Sims were done in Hold 'em Showdown. Calculations were performed as per Almost Perfect Simple Solution

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