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EnderFFX
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BB/100 question.
      #2329539 - 05/06/05 10:08 AM

What type of winrate can a good player expect at a 6 max limit table? (2-4 to the 5-10 range) How large can the variances be? What would be a good bankroll for these levels?

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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: EnderFFX]
      #2329584 - 05/06/05 10:16 AM

2-3bb/100 is very good for any level. 1-2 is decent.

5/10 6max you should have 5k, you can lose 2k of it in a few days pretty easily.


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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: IlliniRyRy]
      #2329677 - 05/06/05 10:36 AM

Your bb/100 will go down as you move I've played all 6MAX games up $5-10.
A reasonable goal is:
3.00bb/100 at $1-2 6MAX/5MAX
2.25bb-2.50bb/100 at $2-4 and $3-6
2.00bb/100 at $5-10.

If you can achieve that move up..if you can do it with ease move up faster.I'd play at least 15K-25K hands before moving up unless you are just crushing a limit.

Your variance will range from 13-20 bb/100 depending on blind structure and your unique style. I have never had more than a 200 bb downswing. Go For It! 200 bb bankroll in the smaller games more as you move up. 300 bb should be more than enough for playing $3-6 or $5-10.

Edited by goodguy_1 (05/06/05 10:48 AM)


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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: EnderFFX]
      #2329697 - 05/06/05 10:39 AM

DIDN't READ Y
OUR POST
BUT I HOP
E|
THIS CAN ELP !)))))))))))))


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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: IlliniRyRy]
      #2329754 - 05/06/05 10:51 AM

Quote:

2-3bb/100 is very good for any level. 1-2 is decent.

5/10 6max you should have 5k, you can lose 2k of it in a few days pretty easily.




Ehh anyone who is good should take shots wayyy wayy before 300BB it's stupid if you are trying to build a roll, do it quickly just drop down if [censored] hits the fan.


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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: imitation]
      #2329765 - 05/06/05 10:53 AM

Quote:

DIDN't READ Y
OUR POST
BUT I HOP
E|
THIS CAN ELP !)))))))))))))




Anyone else seriously worried for Imitation?

Krishan


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EnderFFX
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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: goodguy_1]
      #2329793 - 05/06/05 10:58 AM

Ok, it sounds like I should be good then. I'm playing the 2-4 Limit now and have a BR of $1100, plus I'm depositing another $600 (just for the bonus) and then pulling that $600 when I'm done the bonus. I've been doing well at the 2-4, but I just wanted to make sure I wasn't risking my entire BR. I'll prolly tackle 3-6 when I hit $2000.

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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: krishanleong]
      #2329900 - 05/06/05 11:13 AM

Quote:

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DIDN't READ Y
OUR POST
BUT I HOP
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THIS CAN ELP !)))))))))))))




Anyone else seriously worried for Imitation?

Krishan




BETTER NOW DRINKING RUM ADbCOKE


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topspinner
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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: goodguy_1]
      #2329916 - 05/06/05 11:16 AM

Hi Goodguy, just out of curiousity are these your actual winrates? The reason I was asking, because I would think your winrate at 5/10 would be less than half that of 1/2. I think at least half my winrate at 1/2 is from playing against idiots who will cap with less than optimal hands. I doubt you run across nearly as many idiots at 5/10. I am thinking of moving up, but hate losing.

Also, what sites did you play 2-4 and 3-6 on?

Thank you


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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: goodguy_1]
      #2329942 - 05/06/05 11:20 AM

Quick question for you, do you multi-table?

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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: EnderFFX]
      #2329950 - 05/06/05 11:21 AM

Quote:

Quick question for you, do you multi-table?




Does the Pope wear a big hat?

Krishan


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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: EnderFFX]
      #2330073 - 05/06/05 11:39 AM

I was at 2.93 BB/100 after 25,000 hands at 5/10 and I don't think I am near as good as I could be. This is all 4 tabling. I'm at 1.9 BB/100 at 10/20. I think 3 BB/100 at 10/20 is doable.

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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: topspinner]
      #2330274 - 05/06/05 12:08 PM

Quote:

Hi Goodguy, just out of curiousity are these your actual winrates?



roughly yes.I'm playing $5-10 6MAX and Full of late ~2.00bb/100 in both.I'm not saying this should be your ultimate goal just a reasonable target range to aspire to.

Edited by goodguy_1 (05/06/05 12:10 PM)


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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: imitation]
      #2330281 - 05/06/05 12:09 PM

Quote:

BETTER NOW DRINKING RUM ADbCOKE




I know he's on the other side of the world, but seeing posts like this at 10AM my time just crack me up.


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Guy McSucker
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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: topspinner]
      #2331936 - 05/06/05 03:30 PM

Quote:


I would think your winrate at 5/10 would be less than half that of 1/2. I think at least half my winrate at 1/2 is from playing against idiots who will cap with less than optimal hands. I doubt you run across nearly as many idiots at 5/10.




Plenty of idiots at $5/10, and a decent number at $10/20 as far as I can tell.

Guy.


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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: topspinner]
      #2331982 - 05/06/05 03:34 PM

Quote:

Hi Goodguy, just out of curiousity are these your actual winrates? The reason I was asking, because I would think your winrate at 5/10 would be less than half that of 1/2. I think at least half my winrate at 1/2 is from playing against idiots who will cap with less than optimal hands. I doubt you run across nearly as many idiots at 5/10. I am thinking of moving up, but hate losing.



]
I actually have a higher winrate at 5/10 then I had at 1/2


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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: EnderFFX]
      #2332140 - 05/06/05 03:49 PM

I've read advice from Annie Duke stating that you shouldn't move up in limit until you are comfortable playing the next seven sessions at that limit.
I think this advice is good becasue if you just take shots and hit a little negative variance it takes forever to build it back up at the lower limit. YOu have to be able to stick it out to hit your upswing. You could probably convert the 7 sessions into at least 75BB--you should have a 750 to dump without freaking out in 5/10 just in case you hit a bad run.
The 'take a shot at it' people are banking on a good run. It happens of course, but I think going in knowing you may have to weather a little variance is the surest way to gain sound footing at the next level.
Oh, and btw, there's 1/2 tables that are tougher than some 5/10 tables--table selection is crucial...


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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: goodguy_1]
      #2332170 - 05/06/05 03:51 PM

I would strongly advise having at least 500 BB available, at least when you first start. Especially when you're moving to a new limit, you need the biggest comfort buffer you can muster so that when the inevitable downswing hits you don't meltdown.

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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: EnderFFX]
      #2332296 - 05/06/05 04:01 PM

A good bankroll is one where losing 100BB in a few hours does not cause you to panic, as it will happen.

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topspinner
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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: aslowjoe]
      #2332547 - 05/06/05 04:23 PM

Joe, that is very hard to believe. Just out of curiosity what was your win rate at the two levels and what sites did you and do you play at? I am sure your game as approved immensley. I couldn't imagine the winrate at 5/10 being more than half of 1/2, playing the same way. But since I have never played 5/10 your opinion is defintely more qualified. Just out of curiosity what is the average vpip on average at 5/10.

Edited by topspinner (05/06/05 04:29 PM)


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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: Your Mom]
      #2333087 - 05/06/05 05:29 PM

Quote:

I was at 2.93 BB/100 after 25,000 hands at 5/10 and I don't think I am near as good as I could be. This is all 4 tabling. I'm at 1.9 BB/100 at 10/20. I think 3 BB/100 at 10/20 is doable.






posting winrates with less than 50k hands shouldn't be allowed.


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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: topspinner]
      #2333200 - 05/06/05 05:39 PM

Quote:

Joe, that is very hard to believe. Just out of curiosity what was your win rate at the two levels and what sites did you and do you play at? I am sure your game as approved immensley. I couldn't imagine the winrate at 5/10 being more than half of 1/2, playing the same way. But since I have never played 5/10 your opinion is defintely more qualified. Just out of curiosity what is the average vpip on average at 5/10.





you pay less rake
you become a bad player
each level features different types of players. if you're good at exploiting loose-passive types, then you can make a lot at 1/2. if you're great at playing against maniacs, then you can make a killing at 10/20


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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: RunDownHouse]
      #2333222 - 05/06/05 05:41 PM

Quote:

Quote:

BETTER NOW DRINKING RUM ADbCOKE




I know he's on the other side of the world, but seeing posts like this at 10AM my time just crack me up.




HAHAHA I tell YOU WHAT CROAKC ME UP I'm JUST coming home and about to [censored] the [censored] OUT OF TH E hottest asian girl i've svr seen. She is naked in my bedroom, why I am posting on 2p2 I HAVE HABIT.


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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: sthief09]
      #2333265 - 05/06/05 05:46 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I was at 2.93 BB/100 after 25,000 hands at 5/10 and I don't think I am near as good as I could be. This is all 4 tabling. I'm at 1.9 BB/100 at 10/20. I think 3 BB/100 at 10/20 is doable.






posting winrates with less than 50k hands shouldn't be allowed.




At the very least, posting them to two decimal places is a bit questionable .


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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: Grisgra]
      #2333549 - 05/06/05 06:17 PM

true. perhaps something like 0 or 10

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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: sthief09]
      #2333595 - 05/06/05 06:24 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I was at 2.93 BB/100 after 25,000 hands at 5/10 and I don't think I am near as good as I could be. This is all 4 tabling. I'm at 1.9 BB/100 at 10/20. I think 3 BB/100 at 10/20 is doable.




posting winrates with less than 50k hands shouldn't be allowed.




agreed. after 10k hands, my win rate was -2bb. another 10k hands and my overall winrate is +2.5.


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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: RunDownHouse]
      #2333981 - 05/06/05 07:17 PM

Hahaha.

I was just thinking about that, seeing as how it was posted at 9:13am my time.

But for the kind of people i know, it seemed doable.


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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: sthief09]
      #2334130 - 05/06/05 07:43 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I was at 2.93 BB/100 after 25,000 hands at 5/10 and I don't think I am near as good as I could be. This is all 4 tabling. I'm at 1.9 BB/100 at 10/20. I think 3 BB/100 at 10/20 is doable.







posting winrates with less than 50k hands shouldn't be allowed.





I disagree.

Edited by Your Mom (05/06/05 07:43 PM)


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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: Your Mom]
      #2334146 - 05/06/05 07:46 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

I was at 2.93 BB/100 after 25,000 hands at 5/10 and I don't think I am near as good as I could be. This is all 4 tabling. I'm at 1.9 BB/100 at 10/20. I think 3 BB/100 at 10/20 is doable.







posting winrates with less than 50k hands shouldn't be allowed.





I disagree.






a winrate of 3 +/- 3 isn't exactly meaningful. you're beating the game. whoopty [censored]


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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: sthief09]
      #2335875 - 05/07/05 12:19 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

I was at 2.93 BB/100 after 25,000 hands at 5/10 and I don't think I am near as good as I could be. This is all 4 tabling. I'm at 1.9 BB/100 at 10/20. I think 3 BB/100 at 10/20 is doable.







posting winrates with less than 50k hands shouldn't be allowed.





I disagree.






a winrate of 3 +/- 3 isn't exactly meaningful. you're beating the game. whoopty [censored]




Well put.

Krishan


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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: sthief09]
      #2335897 - 05/07/05 12:22 AM

Quote:

a winrate of 3 +/- 3 isn't exactly meaningful. you're beating the game. whoopty [censored]




Any guesses as to which obscene word sthief used after "whoopty"? I just can't figure it out.


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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: sthief09]
      #2336089 - 05/07/05 12:57 AM

Quote:




posting winrates with less than 100K hands shouldn't be allowed.




Fixed your post.


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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: imitation]
      #2336181 - 05/07/05 01:17 AM

Quote:

HAHAHA I tell YOU WHAT CROAKC ME UP I'm JUST coming home and about to [censored] the [censored] OUT OF TH E hottest asian girl i've svr seen. She is naked in my bedroom, why I am posting on 2p2 I HAVE HABIT.




He's caught the yellow fever!!! Hope you didn't take too long writing this [censored] and lose your root.


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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: ALL1N]
      #2336551 - 05/07/05 02:36 AM

I really don't know why I leave my laptop switched on with 2p2 page open every night before I start drinking. This is becoming a nasty habit. Sorry all, but you caught the tail end of a 14hr drinking session. Wait I think there were posts in the middle as well.

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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: Danenania]
      #2336568 - 05/07/05 02:39 AM

sigh

whoopty shit. it's a funny term


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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: topspinner]
      #2337736 - 05/07/05 10:32 AM

I played 10,000 hands at party 1-2 and 30,000 hands at 5/10. I also played 60,000 hands at PS and crypto 1-2 to 5/10. MY vpip through most of those hands has been about 21%. I have been working at getting it up last 10,000 hands it is about 23%.

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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: EnderFFX]
      #2337848 - 05/07/05 11:12 AM

I think a good player should be able to beat the 10/20 games for 2BB/100 if they only play 1 or 2 tables. A great player should be beating the games for 4BB/100.

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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: rory]
      #2337875 - 05/07/05 11:23 AM

i just called you. where are you you fcuk?

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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: rory]
      #2338150 - 05/07/05 12:31 PM

How would you adjust those numbers for a 4, 6 and 8 tabler? Just curious what your estimates are.

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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: BottlesOf]
      #2338847 - 05/07/05 02:54 PM

Quote:

How would you adjust those numbers for a 4, 6 and 8 tabler? Just curious what your estimates are.





adjust it for what matters, $/hr


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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: sthief09]
      #2338911 - 05/07/05 03:08 PM

That actually gets more complicated as one's bb/hr at 8 tables is not 2X one's bb/hr at 4 tables. Not only b/c bb/100 decreases, but becasue it's harder to maintain 8 good tables, requires more time spent shifting tables, and you end aving only 6.X or 7.X tables/hr.

Any way, the point of my question was to see how bb/100 suffers, and we can then estimate based on that how bb/hr goes up.


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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: BottlesOf]
      #2338916 - 05/07/05 03:08 PM

go play in traffic



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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: aslowjoe]
      #2338927 - 05/07/05 03:10 PM

Joe, thanks for your reply. I was actually wondering what your opponents vpip was at 5-10, just wanted to see how much tighter the games are. My oppenents at 1-2 are 47.7. Just for the heck of it, I did a sort by the number of players that are under 30 vpip and over 14 pfr and out of 290 players with at least 100 hand there were a grand total of 4.

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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: BottlesOf]
      #2338953 - 05/07/05 03:17 PM

my point is all this BB/100 stuff doesn't really matter, aside from satisfying our curiosity of whether we're good. when it comes down to it, I'll take more $/hr over a higher BB/100, and 4 BB/100 at 2 tables = 1.33 bb/100 at 6 tables = 2 BB/100 at 4 tables

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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: sublime]
      #2339007 - 05/07/05 03:28 PM

can I have rory's phone number??

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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: imitation]
      #2339034 - 05/07/05 03:33 PM

he never answers his phone

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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: rory]
      #2339042 - 05/07/05 03:35 PM

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I think a good player should be able to beat the 10/20 games for 2BB/100 if they only play 1 or 2 tables. A great player should be beating the games for 4BB/100.




I agree. I'm beating it for 2BB/100 and not a session ends without me pounding my forehead thinking about how badly I played.


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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: topspinner]
      #2339060 - 05/07/05 03:38 PM

vpip 38% at 5/10

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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: Grisgra]
      #2339094 - 05/07/05 03:46 PM

What I find strange is that nobody seems to be able to have a winrate of 6+. I am sure I blow at least 4BB/100 due to blatant stupid stuff let alone lack of good play.

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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: Grisgra]
      #2339155 - 05/07/05 04:00 PM

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not a session ends without me pounding my forehead thinking about how badly I played.





honestly, I think that's what every good player should be doing if he wants to improve


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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: sthief09]
      #2339164 - 05/07/05 04:02 PM

honestly, I think that's what every good player should be doing if he wants to improve

whew


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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: PokerBob]
      #2339694 - 05/07/05 05:35 PM

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Quote:




posting winrates shouldn't be allowed.




Fixed your post.




Did it better.

Guy.


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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: aslowjoe]
      #2339760 - 05/07/05 05:51 PM

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I am sure I blow at least 4BB/100 due to blatant stupid stuff let alone lack of good play.




Most of this blatant stupid stuff is usually not a full mistake at 10/20. It may seem stupid when you call down when you are obviously beat by a turn raise with ace hi, but it is probably way less than a 1bb mistake most of the time in these games. My guess is a WCP could beat the 10/20 for 5/100 if they were paying attn on 4 tables. But I'm not one, so who knows.

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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: sthief09]
      #2339811 - 05/07/05 06:01 PM

Good, I thought it was just me.

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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: sthief09]
      #2339898 - 05/07/05 06:20 PM

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I'll take more $/hr over a higher BB/100, and 4 BB/100




Isn't this a no-brainer, as ultimately we want to make the most $/hr? That said, it is pretty widely accepted that multi-tabling can stunt ones poker growth. At what point ($/hr) does growth become irrelevant?


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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: PokerBob]
      #2340021 - 05/07/05 06:44 PM

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I'll take more $/hr over a higher BB/100, and 4 BB/100




Isn't this a no-brainer, as ultimately we want to make the most $/hr? That said, it is pretty widely accepted that multi-tabling can stunt ones poker growth. At what point ($/hr) does growth become irrelevant?





I don't know that it stunts one's growth. you get more hands in so you see more things, and your hand reading gets better, but you can pay more attention and learn to make specific reads while multitabling.

I've never consistently played under 4 tables (except at the beginning of last summer when I was 3-tabling 5/10 6m) and I don't think it's stunted my growth.

I don't know how to answer your question


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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: sthief09]
      #2340039 - 05/07/05 06:47 PM

Unless you are not the best multitasker, I think the idea that 4tabling stunts your poker growth is a fallacy. Ive never played less than 4 tables and it hasnt hurt my growth.

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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: sthief09]
      #2340354 - 05/07/05 07:42 PM

I am also totally unconvinced that multitabling stunts growth. Just because I misplay some hands as a result of multitabling does not mean that I'm not getting better in general. It's important to play a lot of hands to grow, and even if one average I am taking LESS from each individual hand played than someone who plays one table, I'm still learning MORE or as much because I'm playing so many more hands. Furthermore, you can supplement or almost entirely replace actually playing by doing serious thinking about the game, watching others play, and spending time on this forum. Just because some of us are choosing to break bank by playing 100 tables does not mean we won't be able to hang when the games get tougher. Some won't, some will, and I think that reality is somewhat (though not entirely) independent of massive multitabling.

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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: Michael Davis]
      #2340388 - 05/07/05 07:51 PM

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I am also totally unconvinced that multitabling stunts growth. Just because I misplay some hands as a result of multitabling does not mean that I'm not getting better in general. It's important to play a lot of hands to grow, and even if one average I am taking LESS from each individual hand played than someone who plays one table, I'm still learning MORE or as much because I'm playing so many more hands. Furthermore, you can supplement or almost entirely replace actually playing by doing serious thinking about the game, watching others play, and spending time on this forum. Just because some of us are choosing to break bank by playing 100 tables does not mean we won't be able to hang when the games get tougher. Some won't, some will, and I think that reality is somewhat (though not entirely) independent of massive multitabling.

-Michael




Agreed. And well put. The killer is not multitabling, it's complacency.


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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: Danenania]
      #2341179 - 05/07/05 10:14 PM

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The killer is not multitabling, it's complacency.




I agree 100%.

Surf


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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: sthief09]
      #2341871 - 05/08/05 12:01 AM

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my point is all this BB/100 stuff doesn't really matter, aside from satisfying our curiosity of whether we're good. when it comes down to it, I'll take more $/hr over a higher BB/100, and 4 BB/100 at 2 tables = 1.33 bb/100 at 6 tables = 2 BB/100 at 4 tables




I'll take a higher BB/100 everyday of the week.

Less work
Less burnout
More time to think about what I'm doing against a certain opponent
Less worry about downswings or playing poorly

I'd rather make a cruisy $80 an hour and improve my game, than make $120 an hour working hard and add extra study on top of that. (of course these $$ figures are made up)


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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: helpmeout]
      #2341946 - 05/08/05 12:09 AM

"I'd rather make a cruisy $80 an hour and improve my game, than make $120 an hour working hard and add extra study on top of that. (of course these $$ figures are made up)"

Well, this is a totally personal decision, so fine, but $40 an hour is a silly amount of money to give up if you're putting the time anyways.

-Michael


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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: Michael Davis]
      #2342022 - 05/08/05 12:21 AM

I'm not giving up $40 an hour because

A) I'm learning more by playing less tables (resulting in higher income later)/less need for study when I'm not playing.
B) Less burnout so I can play longer
C) Much less time off due to tilt


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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: Michael Davis]
      #2343079 - 05/08/05 04:11 AM

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I am also totally unconvinced that multitabling stunts growth.




STUDENT: I want to become good at poker!

COACH: Okay, play as fast as u can, never think about a problem more then a few seconds. And play against players that are much worse then you.

STUDENT: But if I make more $ playing against really good players, thinking about every decision?

COACH: No! If you want to learn poker you got to leave the table everytime you think the others are good, there is no other way.

STUDENT: But I need the $!!!

COACH: Oh, I thought you said you wanted to become good at poker.


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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: helpmeout]
      #2343104 - 05/08/05 04:17 AM

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A) I'm learning more by playing less tables




This is what is in dispute - you merely claiming it is so does not establish it as fact.

Quote:

B) Less burnout so I can play longer




Burnout depends highly on the person - when i'm multitabling I can usually book a solid hour before I need a break - be that 2 tabling, 4 tabling, or 6 tabling. For many, additional tables do not cause additional burnout.

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C) Much less time off due to tilt




I don't get how this is supposed to relate to # of tables played. A person is either susceptible or tilt or not - playing more hands wont change that....if anything, playing more hands will allow a player to move on more quickly instead of dwelling on a bad beat b/c of the # of hands played.

Surf


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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: Surfbullet]
      #2343213 - 05/08/05 04:49 AM

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This is what is in dispute - you merely claiming it is so does not establish it as fact.





Its common sense. A person playing 1-2 tables has time to think between hands and make decisions.

Why did he do that?
Whats my table image like?
etc etc these things are important at higher levels. Thinking about poker is what makes you a better player not clicking quickly and making standard decisions based on a few numbers on your screen.

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Burnout depends highly on the person - when i'm multitabling I can usually book a solid hour before I need a break - be that 2 tabling, 4 tabling, or 6 tabling. For many, additional tables do not cause additional burnout.





Its not just the per day amount its over time. You are doing a lot more work playing a lot of tables.

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I don't get how this is supposed to relate to # of tables played. A person is either susceptible or tilt or not - playing more hands wont change that....if anything, playing more hands will allow a player to move on more quickly instead of dwelling on a bad beat b/c of the # of hands played.




A player gets annoyed/goes on tilt when they are down on luck. It is much easier to think clearly about what you are doing wrong when you are playing few tables. You pickup on tilt much quicker.

1 bad beat doesnt put most decent players on tilt but a few in quick succession will, this is obviously more likely by playing more tables.

If you go on tilt while 8 tabling you will be making mistakes on 8 tables not 2 so this makes it worse as well.


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Re: BB/100 question. [Re: helpmeout]
      #2343401 - 05/08/05 06:06 AM

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Its common sense. A person playing 1-2 tables has time to think between hands and make decisions.

Why did he do that?
Whats my table image like?
etc etc these things are important at higher levels. Thinking about poker is what makes you a better player not clicking quickly and making standard decisions based on a few numbers on your screen.





I think about all these things multitabling.

Quote:

A player gets annoyed/goes on tilt when they are down on luck. It is much easier to think clearly about what you are doing wrong when you are playing few tables. You pickup on tilt much quicker.





For me, being mired in a seemingly endless downswing over the course of 3 days - while it is only 1,000 hands - is cause for tilt. Being able to continue to make good decisions and rack up the hands in a fashion that allows me to see the long run sooner keeps me tilt-free. I guess it comes down to what type of person one is.

Basically, I'm going to have to go and say that I "agree to disagree"...

I don't agree with your fundamental argument, and as many times as you may reiterate I still maintain my position. That doesn't make it right in general, just that it is the best choice for me.

Interesting to see how views can differ so drastically, though.

Surf


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