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helpmeout
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Preflop hands II
      #1303162 - 11/24/04 10:20 PM

$5/$10 blind structure

1. Q8s button

2. Q9o SB

3. 43s SB 2 limpers

4. A3o SB 1 late limper

5. K6s in CO or button

6. K2s SB 2 limpers

7. T8s button

8. A9s SB 2limpers

9. T9s SB button raise

10. A5s button 1 limper

Thanks for your responses.


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balkii
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Re: Preflop hands II [Re: helpmeout]
      #1303205 - 11/24/04 10:39 PM

1. Q8s button

I'll assume you meant folded to - Raise

2. Q9o SB

Usually raise - might muck if I have been caught stealing a lot

3. 43s SB 2 limpers

Fold usually

4. A3o SB 1 late limper

Fold

5. K6s in CO or button

CO - Muck
Button - Raise

6. K2s SB 2 limpers

Sometimes fold, sometimes call.

7. T8s button

Blind dependent. Fold often, sometimes raise

8. A9s SB 2limpers

Complete

9. T9s SB button raise

Fold usually

10. A5s button 1 limper

Blind dependent. Limp often, raise sometimes.


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Jeff W
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Re: Preflop hands II [Re: helpmeout]
      #1303368 - 11/24/04 11:38 PM

I'm going to pretend that your opponents folded around to you unless otherwise stated. I'm also assuming 2/5 blind structure.

1. Raise
2. Completely Opponent dependent. Raise vs. Tight BB. Call vs. Loose/Passive BB. Fold vs Aggressive BB.
3. Call.
4. Call.
5. Raise on button. Fold in CO.
6. Call.
7. Raise.
8. Raise.
9. Fold.
10. Call or Raise. Don't fold. Whether you call or raise depends on the limper and the blinds. You probably don't lose much by always raising.


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imitation
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Re: Preflop hands II [Re: helpmeout]
      #1303544 - 11/25/04 12:40 AM

1. raise

2. raise

3. fold

4. call

5. Button raise(mostly), co fold.

6. Fold

7. Fold

8. Complete

9. Fold

10. Raise against loose bad limper.


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Gazza
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Re: Preflop hands II [Re: helpmeout]
      #1303677 - 11/25/04 01:43 AM

Quote:

$5/$10 blind structure

1. Q8s button
2. Q9o SB
3. 43s SB 2 limpers
4. A3o SB 1 late limper
5. K6s in CO or button
6. K2s SB 2 limpers
7. T8s button
8. A9s SB 2limpers
9. T9s SB button raise
10. A5s button 1 limper





1 Raise
2 Raise
3 call
4 call
5 raise btn, usually fold co, sometimes raise
6 call
7 raise
8 call/raise
9 fold
10 raise

These are my answers for the 10-20 blind structure. I haven't played 5-10 for a while so I'm not quite sure except that I would complete less in SB

Gazza


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helpmeout
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Re: Preflop hands II [Re: helpmeout]
      #1303959 - 11/25/04 04:49 AM

Here are my thoughts

1. Q8s button - raise

2. Q9o SB - raise for value Q9o is better than a random hand

3. 43s SB 2 limpers - fold

4. A3o SB 1 late limper - fold

5. K6s in CO or button - raise on the button, fold CO

6. K2s SB 2 limpers - call

7. T8s button - raise

8. A9s SB 2limpers - call

9. T9s SB button raise - fold

10. A5s button 1 limper - raise

Thanks again for the responses.


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D.H.
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Re: Preflop hands II [Re: helpmeout]
      #1304078 - 11/25/04 06:42 AM

Posts like these are interesting. Next time, make it a poll. Some hands got different answers from different people so results from a poll would really be more useful and easier to read.

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helpmeout
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Re: Preflop hands II [Re: D.H.]
      #1304096 - 11/25/04 07:00 AM

I'm not a big fan of polls because people generally agree with what everyone else put.

You also get Joe Bloggs who answers just cos its a poll.

If someone answers different to what you think just ask why.

Sure its harder to read but there will usually be only a few marginal hands where people disagree.


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Guy McSucker
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Re: Preflop hands II [Re: helpmeout]
      #1304134 - 11/25/04 07:54 AM

Does $5/10 blind structure mean the blinds are $5 and $10, or that the structure is that of the $5/10 game on Party?

1. Q8s button

Used to open raise this. I now realise I don't play well enough postflop so I will sometimes just muck.

2. Q9o SB

Folded to me? Raise.

3. 43s SB 2 limpers

Used to complete, don't anymore.

4. A3o SB 1 late limper

Yuck. Complete and hate myself. Ought to raise/fold.

5. K6s in CO or button

Muck.

6. K2s SB 2 limpers

Complete.

7. T8s button

Sometimes raise, usually fold.

8. A9s SB 2limpers

Marginal complete/raise. These days just complete.

9. T9s SB button raise

Fold.

10. A5s button 1 limper

Limp or raise.

Guy.


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Trix
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#2 [Re: helpmeout]
      #1304159 - 11/25/04 08:18 AM

I usually complete number two, should that be raised very often ?

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helpmeout
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Re: #2 [Re: Trix]
      #1304180 - 11/25/04 08:30 AM

Q9o is significantly better than a random hand so I think its definately a value raise.

BB would also put you on an Ace most times so he might fold his K high when you both miss.


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Guy McSucker
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Re: #2 [Re: helpmeout]
      #1304198 - 11/25/04 08:43 AM

Quote:


Q9o is significantly better than a random hand so I think its definately a value raise.





It wins 55% against one random hand.

I think out of position you need to know that you play better than your opponent, or that he folds often, to show a profit from this raise.

Guy.


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piocet
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Re: Preflop hands II [Re: Gazza]
      #1309855 - 11/27/04 12:02 PM

I made all same decisions before I read your post. I seldom raise 8 though.

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piocet
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Re: Preflop hands II [Re: helpmeout]
      #1309869 - 11/27/04 12:10 PM

You fold 4? I assume the later limper hold weak, unless I have a read on him.

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etizzle
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Re: #2 [Re: Guy McSucker]
      #1310703 - 11/27/04 05:50 PM

could someone post a link to that gocee.com or whatever site where the guy ran every hand against 1-9 random hands?
Thanks


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Grisgra
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Re: Preflop hands II [Re: helpmeout]
      #1310729 - 11/27/04 05:56 PM

I gather we assume no limpers if you haven't mentioned any?

EDIT: Never mind, seems to be the common assumption.

Edited by Grisgra (11/27/04 05:57 PM)


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Grisgra
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Re: Preflop hands II [Re: helpmeout]
      #1310744 - 11/27/04 06:01 PM

1. Q8s button -- Usually raise, fold if I fear/respect the blinds.

2. Q9o SB -- Raise 75%, complete 25%

3. 43s SB 2 limpers -- ALWAYS complete

4. A3o SB 1 late limper -- Complete

5. K6s in CO or button -- Fold CO, Raise button

6. K2s SB 2 limpers -- Complete

7. T8s button -- Raise if I've been running well/blinds are on the tight end of things, otherwise fold fold fold

8. A9s SB 2limpers -- raise

9. T9s SB button raise -- WOW. Close. I probably fold. But it's close.

10. A5s button 1 limper -- yeeks. I'll wuss out and say it's table-dependent. Yeah, that's it.

Thanks for your responses.


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Grisgra
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Re: Preflop hands II [Re: imitation]
      #1310760 - 11/27/04 06:05 PM

Too tight man. You have to play your suited connectors and your K-high suited trash from the SB for 3/5s of a bet.

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