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vector
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Reged: 11/19/03
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medium suited kings: playable?
      #792420 - 06/30/04 01:45 PM

warning: tedious preflop questions follow, you may want to stop reading now.

My six handed (Party 5-10) VPIP is too low, based on what I read here. So I'm on the lookout for extra hands to open with.

I was wondering if the medium suited kings K9s, K8s, K7s are candidates.

If you have the inclination would you mind responding with your suggested play in some of these scenarios, (as many as you can be bothered with). Assume standard Party 5-10 opponents throughout.

As a sort of what not to play I'll include K2s too, to see where the borders are.

So how would you play K9s, K8s, K7s, K2s in these situations:

UTG.

UTG+1 after UTG folds.
UTG+1 after UTG calls.

CO no-one in yet.
CO 1 limper.
CO 2+ limpers.
CO 1 limper then raised.

Button: unentered pot.
Button: 1 limper middle position.
Button: 2+ limpers.
Button: 1 limper then raised.

SB: unentered pot.
SB: 1 limper middle position.
SB: 2+ limpers.
SB: 1 limper then raised.
SB: button open raised a previously unentered pot.

BB: unentered pot, SB completes.
BB: unentered pot, SB raises.
BB: 1 limper middle position, SB folds.
BB: 2+ limpers, SB completes.
BB: 1 limper then raised by SB.
BB: 2 limpers then raised by SB.
BB: button open raised an unentered pot, SB folds.
BB: button open raised an unentered pot, SB calls.
BB: button open raised an unentered pot, SB reraises.

And for those who find all of the above a total waste of time (don't blame you) how about this:

are medium suited kings playable in certain conditions? [yes/no]

Thanks a lot!

vector


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TazQ
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Reged: 07/07/03
Posts: 175
Loc: Littleton, CO
Re: medium suited kings: playable? [Re: vector]
      #792490 - 06/30/04 02:03 PM

Don't worry too much about VPIP, I learned this a while ago. There are quite a few 2+2ers at the 5/10 I consider LAGs and play against accordingly. They are very profitable, aside from having a somewhat tighter PF strategy than your generic player.

I will just say you can average 3 BB/100 or higher (4 tabling) whlie seeing 17.5% of the flops volintarily at the 5/10. Whatever your strategy is, you can make it work.

Anyways..

UTG. - fold all

UTG+1 after UTG folds. - fold all
UTG+1 after UTG calls. - fold all

CO no-one in yet. -
I'll openraise K9s from the button, if I've been playing very tight at the table I'll sometimes mix it up with open raising K9s from the CO.

CO 1 limper. - fold all
CO 2+ limpers. - call K9s
CO 1 limper then raised. - fold all

Button: unentered pot. - raise K9s, K8s sometimes
Button: 1 limper middle position. - raise K9s if bad
Button: 2+ limpers. - Call K9s
Button: 1 limper then raised. - fold all

SB: unentered pot. - raise all
SB: 1 limper middle position. - call with K8/K9
SB: 2+ limpers. - call with all
SB: 1 limper then raised. - fold all
SB: button open raised a previously unentered pot. - depends on raising standards, usually folding all, may 3-bet with K9s if loony

BB: unentered pot, SB completes. - raise with K9/K8
BB: unentered pot, SB raises. - call all
BB: 1 limper middle position, SB folds. - check
BB: 2+ limpers, SB completes. - check

BB: 1 limper then raised by SB.
BB: 2 limpers then raised by SB.
both depend on raising standards of the sb, i don't like being in this position though.

BB: button open raised an unentered pot, SB folds.
BB: button open raised an unentered pot, SB calls.
again, depends on button

BB: button open raised an unentered pot, SB reraises. - fold all


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rory
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Reged: 09/29/03
Posts: 29
Re: medium suited kings: playable? [Re: vector]
      #792528 - 06/30/04 02:15 PM

I think playing these crappy kings sucks-- my VIP is like 20-22% and I don't play them. Loosen up but don't loosen up with these.

Ways to loosen up:

Raise any pair if you are in late position and it is folded to you. Raise ATo and up UTG. Raise A9o and up UTG+2, raise any ace if it is folded to you on the button. Raise pairs 77 and up UTG. Raise KQ and up UTG, KJ UTG+1, and KT and QJ in late position. Raise any two cards > 9 on the button if it is folded to you. If you see some dude limping with trash all the time, raise him with ace high and any pocket pair.
You want to play hands that can win unimproved in a showdown, or at hands that can turn into OK hands if you don't steal the blinds with your raise. That should put you
up above 20% without resorting to playing garbage like Kxs.

-rory


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