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BookOfIcculus
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Strategy for poket pairs.
      #594516 - 03/24/04 11:10 AM

What do you all think of a this default strategy for PP.

1. Raise all pocket pairs pre-flop
2. 22-55 NO set fold the flop unless you are sb or button and the action is in a postion to give you c/rabilty if you spike the turn. Probaly equates to seing the turn 1 in 10. Always fold turn uniproved.
3. 66-99 same as before but add BB and CO with action to give you c/rabilty.
4. TT-QQ raise until you run into agreesion and then call down to the river no matter what.
5. KK-AA ram and jam all night.

Of course st8 draws and flush boards change things but this is a general idea. Any thoughts?


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Re: Strategy for poket pairs. [Re: BookOfIcculus]
      #594581 - 03/24/04 11:45 AM

I think this strategy is a bit too broad.

#1 - For instance, I fold 22-66 UTG six handed without a second thought. I think raising those pairs here is a losing play in the long run, the amount a times you win the blinds or a small HU pot are outweiged by the times you lose a larger pot too a higher pocket pair or a good overcard hand that hits.

#4 - always calling down TT is most certainly a loser, and I can definitely creat scenarios where calling down with JJ and QQ is a poor play as well.

I think more specifics are needed.




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Re: Strategy for poket pairs. [Re: stoxtrader]
      #594630 - 03/24/04 12:15 PM

Yes, my play still leaves alot to be desired.
I would tend to think that 22-66 would be a break even play. But I'm raising em to loosen up the table a bit.

The TT-QQ part was partly inspired by a post by MM in which he said that that a turn laydown drawing to 2 out is a bad laydown. I'm not sure I agree but I've seen many make this play (They get paid of nicely when they spike and have some although little SD value) and I respect MM's opinion enough to add it to my default play.

Of course there are many situation where you shouldn't make a default play. My thoughts are that the no set no bet rule isn't cutting it SH and something should be made for SH play. Just some thoughts is all.


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Re: Strategy for poket pairs. [Re: BookOfIcculus]
      #594753 - 03/24/04 01:11 PM

I think you may have misinterpreted the MM post. I think I read it, and you are neglecting to include the size of the pot. drawing to a 2 outer on the river is a 22:1 shot, so pot and implied odds, combined with stand alone showdown value could make this call correct in certain situations getting good odds from the pot, but only in those specific situations, certainly not as a default play.

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Re: Strategy for poket pairs. [Re: BookOfIcculus]
      #595035 - 03/24/04 03:21 PM

22-55 UTG is losing hands if table isnt very passive and very loose.

Going to far with pocketpairs is a beginners misstake. If you are sitting in BB with J8 agsinst 3 players and flop comes AK2, you are in bad shape. Why should JJ or QQ be so good against AK board? Dont get married to your pocketpairs.

If you want rules like these, then they should be much more conservative.:

Raise AA-88, first in from any position. Raise 77-66 from button and cutoff. Raise one limper with AA-88. Reraise one raiser (and no coldcaller) with AA-TT.

Bet flop, and if there is more then 1 overcard and you get raised: fold. Bet flop and if you are raised and a coldcall fold if there is 1 overcard.

I dont say these rules are good, but if you dont know how to play pocketpairs, playing them overaggressivley is a sure way of losing.



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Re: Strategy for poket pairs. [Re: BookOfIcculus]
      #595101 - 03/24/04 03:49 PM

Speaking of pocket pairs, I just recently had to fold TT from my small blind preflop, and it was only 2.5SB to me. Making that fold made me feel all happy inside.

I honestly think that 22-44 have little value UTG or UTG+1 -- at least in the type of short handed tables I seek out (which tend to feature aggressive play...so perhaps that is why I feel this way). I also don't really ever voluntarily put money into the pot with 22 anymore unless it's from the SB for .5SB.

There are also many situations with 44-77 type range where I feel totally comfortable three-betting on the flop, with one overcard to my pair. This is very player dependent though.

I think that your ranges would be better served to have 22-33 as one category, 44-66 as another, and 77-99 as a third. 44-66 are still often very playable hands on flops like 852 or 732 or even 873, at least in 10/20.


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