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sammy_g
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Reged: 04/21/04
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Poll: 3-Bet Standards
      #1222932 - 11/05/04 04:04 PM

UTG folds, UTG+1 raises, CO folds. You're on the button. Which hands do you 3-bet?
You may choose many
TT
99
88
77
66
AQo
AJs
AJo
ATs
ATo
KQs
KQo


Votes accepted from (11/05/04 12:00 AM) to (No end specified)
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J.R.
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Loc: More soon
Re: Poll: 3-Bet Standards [Re: sammy_g]
      #1223042 - 11/05/04 04:27 PM

Who is UTG+1? You want us to assume an uknown? What's the limit and location of the game?

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sammy_g
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Re: Poll: 3-Bet Standards [Re: J.R.]
      #1223066 - 11/05/04 04:33 PM

Party 5/10 6 max. No reads.

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Trix
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Re: Poll: 3-Bet Standards [Re: sammy_g]
      #1225168 - 11/06/04 10:26 AM

Thought 77 was about the line for the pairs, but the poll suggests it should be higher. Comments ?

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fsuplayer
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Reged: 12/01/03
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Re: Poll: 3-Bet Standards [Re: Trix]
      #1225188 - 11/06/04 10:47 AM

i three bet 77 with position HU and muck 66 almost everytime. not sure why my line is there, but it is. i also 3 bet A10s against an unknown, muck it against a better than average player.

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Analyst
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Re: Poll: 3-Bet Standards [Re: fsuplayer]
      #1225457 - 11/06/04 01:04 PM

Quote:

i three bet 77 with position HU and muck 66 almost everytime. not sure why my line is there, but it is.




If you can get it HU, then it would seem to not matter much as UTG+1 will almost certainly have overcards - hopefully not an overpair - to your pair regardless of whether you hold 66 or 77 (or 22, for that matter). I guess that the reason is in case one of the blinds, say with a small PP of their own, comes along then size might matter.


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Peter_rus
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Re: Poll: 3-Bet Standards [Re: Analyst]
      #1225545 - 11/06/04 01:47 PM

Quote:

If you can get it HU, then it would seem to not matter much as UTG+1 will almost certainly have overcards - hopefully not an overpair - to your pair regardless of whether you hold 66 or 77 (or 22, for that matter




Remember about 55TTx boards, which beats with 77 and not with 22. Also 22 makes less straights and worse flushes. While second is not so imortant as you put UTG on overcards the first has some meanings.


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SlantNGo
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Re: Poll: 3-Bet Standards [Re: sammy_g]
      #1225669 - 11/06/04 02:47 PM

Why does everyone play KQs so aggressively? I've always thought that it's a great multi-way hand, and only above average heads-up, i.e. about the same as AJo.

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Nemesis
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Reged: 03/21/04
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Re: Poll: 3-Bet Standards [Re: SlantNGo]
      #1226025 - 11/06/04 05:17 PM

KQs is one of my best hands quite honestly. I always get a rush when i see it in the pocket.

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Vern
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Reged: 02/08/04
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Re: Poll: 3-Bet Standards [Re: Nemesis]
      #1227726 - 11/07/04 08:28 AM

If UTG+2 is raising a medium to large PP, 88-JJ, KQs provides two overcards against all 4 pairs. AJ provides only two overcards to only 3 pairs. Against AJs, ATs, and several other large card combos other than AQx and AKx that he might also be raising, KQs is not dominated and either card pairing can win it for you as top pair. The fact that it is suited makes it even sweeter. The only hands you fear with KQs are AK, AQ (lesser than AK), AJ-A2s of your suit, AA, KK or QQ. All the rest KQs plays well against.

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