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Guido
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Re: Still not what I would like to see [Re: Peter_rus]
      #1002153 - 09/08/04 06:49 AM

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Please don't tell me more that Peter is very aggro





I'm tight and aggro, you are loose and aggro. That's the main difference.

I know your stealing standards, not defending...

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Guido


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Guido
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Re: Still not what I would like to see [Re: stripsqueez]
      #1002157 - 09/08/04 06:53 AM

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i think you should see a few more showdowns



How much more? Around 50%?

Quote:

steal the blinds a bit less



Less? Peter and some others were talking about 30%...

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defend your BB a bit more



Yeah, I know. Just have a hard time calling crap . What kind of hands do you defend with?

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Guido


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Re: Still not what I would like to see [Re: Guido]
      #1002183 - 09/08/04 07:24 AM

getting to showdown can be dependant on style - a crash and bash merchant will see a heap and a purist will see less - i see something like 37% - so i dont think there is a correct number - perhaps you give up in some marginal looking spots when you have position when you shouldnt - perhaps you should target the guys who are pushy and commit to showdown a bit more against them - i'm not a ring game player but i suspect your more used to a "flop or drop" approach from playing ring games and perhaps you need to loosen that a bit

stealing blinds is obviously dependant on who your stealing from - all i know is that if your number is greater than 25% i'm taking plenty of shots at you when you try and steal my blinds

schneids completes the SB with small suited connectors and semi connectors - i'm sure there is some disgression as to when and how many runners and how much he is getting paid off but the theory is predominantly that you can smash these guys post flop so you can afford to take marginal pre-flop choices - in the BB i like defending a raise with middleish cards - 108o, Q9o - crappy A's and K's dont pay off well post flop - i call a raise heads up with any pair - i'm pretty much blind as to whether my cards are suited heads up - 3 way and more there arent a lot of big mistakes you can make

i'm confident most of what i'm saying is known to you and largely implemented - were talking tweaking - if you stick at it and keep thinking about it your win rate will go up playing the 5/10 game

stripsqueez - chickenhawk


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Re: Still not what I would like to see [Re: stripsqueez]
      #1002229 - 09/08/04 08:18 AM

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stealing blinds is obviously dependant on who your stealing from - all i know is that if your number is greater than 25% i'm taking plenty of shots at you when you try and steal my blinds




I suspect that 32-35% of raising first on button and 24-26% of raising first in CO isn't a stealing much- it's a value bet with possibly better hand.

And it's never depends on who you trying to steal.

If you begin to make a plenty shots i'll begin to do plenty/2 reshots on you but NEVER reduce my steal attempts.

I believe that if blinds too tight - you can steal 40-50% of time and show immediate profit until they start to adapt, but regardless of players structure not below cyphers i wrote higher...

Edited by Peter_rus (09/08/04 08:22 AM)


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Re: Still not what I would like to see [Re: Guido]
      #1002236 - 09/08/04 08:24 AM

You called me LAG! He called me LAG! Shame on me

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Re: Still not what I would like to see [Re: Guido]
      #1002290 - 09/08/04 09:01 AM

In this game we are all striving to become very tight and very aggressive, but doesn't there come a point when we simply become too tight or too aggressive and it begins to eat in to our EV.

You say yourself Guido that you are too tight. I would also say that you are too aggressive. There comes a point when you bet and raise so much that these actions mean nothing to your opponents and this is not a great state of affairs.
Maybe you got a mix it up a little more otherwise your opponents (observant ones, that is) will learn to fold without a monster to your pre flop raises and call you down once they do play. And most of the non observant ones are calling stations so they will call you down as well.

I have an agg factor of Pf 1.16 flop 2.75 turn 2,41 riv 1.53 (win rate 3.67/100 over 33K hands at 10-20 but I've been on a hot streak - they are wonderful aren't they) and am only really concerned about my river figure which is getting better.
Do people think these figures are too low and I am talking rubbish about over aggression?

Your folded to river bet figure also looks high (I have 36 for a wsd of 53)

Gazza


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Re: Still not what I would like to see [Re: Gazza]
      #1002402 - 09/08/04 10:08 AM

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In this game we are all striving to become very tight and very aggressive, but doesn't there come a point when we simply become too tight or too aggressive and it begins to eat in to our EV.




I also can explain - why this happens especially for PT users.

One man played 30K hands by raising ATo UTG and find it pretty looser. He begin to muck it UTG and he will never know now that the others 70K hands will turn it to margin winner.


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stripsqueez
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Re: Still not what I would like to see [Re: Peter_rus]
      #1002439 - 09/08/04 10:22 AM

i agree that there is a line where it would be a mistake not to raise regardless of whos left to play - a value bet as you say - i reckon its lower than what you suggest but i have no evidence other than my gut - do we just have different feels or can you persuade me with something more ?

stripsqueez - chickenhawk


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Re: Still not what I would like to see [Re: stripsqueez]
      #1002469 - 09/08/04 10:34 AM

When you raise first you can count probability of the rest of the table to have better hand than you. That analysis shows that nearly 33% of hands can be ahead of two on button. Let's minus 1% for the little effect of increased probability of better hands on blinds - as first 3 players show no activity (no big pairs and no good aces onboard within 6 folded cards) and we result 32%.

I like raising hands which have more than 50% probability to be ahead. Actually i often raise even more a bit - when i have 45% probability to be ahead from Button and CO as i have position and both blinds can fold giving me extra points which i loose (usually more with 5% worse hands in average than with better hands of 32% i mentioned above) if 3-betted by SB or BB.


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Re: Still not what I would like to see [Re: stripsqueez]
      #1004181 - 09/08/04 05:27 PM

Thanks stripsqueez,

I don't play much flop and drop because most of the time I raise preflop, I rarely limp. When I raise I either have pot odds to call a lot of the time or I'm up against 1 or 2 opponents in which case I bet again.

I'm not sure what to think about the blind stealing part. I don't think raising as much as Peter suites my style so I will not try to add some hands.

With completing in the SB do you mean calling a raise? I will try some defending with hands like 89s, 9Ts, JTs, T8s and J8s. I will add the off suited once later.

Yes, I know most of what you said but I'm just not sure about what is right in these marginal situations most of the time. I also have a hard time with defending what do you do when you don't hit? They will almost always bet so...

Thanks,

Guido


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