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davidross
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Reged: 09/03/02
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Loc: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Playing online for a living week 25
      #376962 - 10/19/03 09:42 AM

Where has the time gone? I am 2 weeks shy of 6 months of playing full time. IĎve already made over $30,000, but I canít get over the feeling that itís been really tough lately. Maybe Iím just spoiled by some of the great weeks I had. Itís going to be hard to get my usual number of hours in for the next 2 weeks. Monday was a holiday for us here in Canada, so I skipped my usual afternoon hours, and I got late starts on both Sunday and Tuesday because of a dinner party on Sunday, and a 9:00 PM curling game on Tuesday. Itís tough when real life gets in the way of Poker.

I started the week off in fine fashion with a $330 win Sunday night in just 4 hours of play. My good run from the previous week continued and my big hands held up nicely. Then Monday, nothing went right. Again it was just an evening session, around 5 hours, and I gave back Sundays winnings with a $328 loss. It could have been much worse. I was down as much as $450 at one point. Tuesday was like the two previous days packed into one. In the afternoon I played less than 3 hours and won $250, and in the evening I played 3 more and gave back $60.

I guess no matter how much you play you continue to see things youíve never seen before. On Sunday night I made sets on 3 consecutive hands at the same table. I lost the first two to rivered straights that werenít obvious, paying off a river raise. Quite expensive. Then on the 3rd hand I mad a set of 5ís but had to check the river when the board ended up Q 9 5 9 Q. By far the scariest board of the 3, but my hand was good. Unfortunately I checked the river and certainly didnít make enough to cover the other 2 losses. Then last night I joined a table, posted in the cut off and was dealt KK. I lost to 94s when a 4 came on the river to give him 2 pair. Very next hand I get KK again. I raised first in and won only the blinds. Next hand brings KK again. I think itís over 8 million to 1 against this happening. This time I did get called and my hand held up giving me a $7 profit from my triple crown!!!

On the plus side I have noticed more bad play in the last week than I had seen for a while. This hand is pretty strange. I open raise in EP with As Kd. I get 3 bet in MP and the CO caps it. BB calls and so do I. Flop is Qc Td 8s. We check to the CO who bets. Everyone calls. Turn is the 6c. Again checked to the CO, who bets, and again we all call. River is 5s and this time itís checked around. I am shocked to see the chips coming my way, and hear the fireworks going off (I love that sound). BB had KJo. MP 3 bettor had A4s, and CO 4 bettor had A9o. I made a fair bit of money off those 2 over the next hour. This next hand is an example.

Same guys, I get AQo in EP and I open raise. Both the guys from the previous hand cold call me. (Theyíre play might be getting worse actually). BB plays too. Flop is A 7 2 rainbow. I bet and they both call. Turn is a Q, and only the MP calls this time. River is a 5 and I bet and get raised this time. Knowing how he likes his Aces, Iím thinking this is A5 and not a slowplayed set, so I 3 bet and he just calls. He had A9!!! I love this guy.

Iím taking my 2 boys to see David Copperfield tonight. My younger son is crazy about magic. I bought him a few tricks from a magic store in Vegas on my only trip there a few years ago, and heís been hooked. I hear this show is very good. Itís a 6:00 PM show so my hours playing shouldnít be affected. And in case anyone is interested we lost our curling game last night ending the undefeated season very early. It doesnít look too good for the Cubbies / Red Sox Series everyone outside of New York and Florida is hoping for. I canít believe Boston isnít going to pitch Pedro today, but maybe theyíre going to spring him at the last minute.


Well Iíve just finished the worst poker day of my career. The only spot of hope is that I finished strongly. I played a long (for me) afternoon session of about 4 Ĺ hours and lost $480. I then took my boys to the magic show, which they loved, but I was a bit disappointed in, and came home to just keep on losing. I was down well over $1,000 at one point, before winning a bit after 2:00 AM to finish down only $788 for the day. I even played a 5/10 Party game to try and change my luck, but dropped $300 there. The really frustrating thing was I got great cards. I won 10% of my hands played which is high for me, and I saw less than 25% of the flops. But I won only small pots, and got rivered time and time again. Itís just so expensive to build the pots when youíre ahead just to see the river that you know beats you, but facing a $100 pot for 1 more bet you call anyway. Iím now down over $500 for the week. Yuck.

I donít know what to do during these bad spells. Everyone has suggestions, like change tables or limits, but as long as Iím not playing badly, and I donít think I was, I believe you just have to put in the hours. They say adversity builds character, well today Iím quite a character. I hope it translates into a winning streak as good as yesterday was bad. Iím due to have a whole lot of hands hold up. I had KK vs AA 3 times, and against AK twice, and lost all 5. I wouldnít mind being on the other side of that one today. I also flopped a set with Presto (55) against AA and QQ, only to have the Q spike on the end. That one got expensive. Twice I got AA in the BB and had the entire field fold to me. Sigh!


Sometimes you get a feeling. You know the flush card is going to come, or that the board is going to pair. Probably when youíre wrong, you just forget that you had the feeling and move on, but when youíre right, you think, ďWow, I knew that was going to happenĒ. After the horrible day Wednesday, I was eager to start again on Thursday. I knew, I mean I really knew I was going to have a big day. Here is the very first hand I played.

I post in the cut off with T6o. One limper to me and I check. Button and SB both call and 5 of us see the flop. Flop is A T 6. EP bets out. No fooling around, this is the start of my big day and I raise. Everyone folds back to EP who calls. Turn is another T filling me. He checks, I bet and he calls. River is ÖÖÖÖ.an A. Doh! He bets, and I probably was pretty safe folding but I guess I had to see it. I called and he showed A9 and took my pot. I thought ďhere we go againĒ.

However in this case I was right. I got ahead almost right away and stayed there. I was up around $350 for the afternoon, and another $500 + in the evening to finish ahead $866 for the day. That leaves me ahead $281 for the week. It looks like another bad week, but considering I have $1,100 in losses over 2 days, a nice comeback. In one hand I made the nut full house against a smaller full house, and a flush. We got it capped 3 ways on the turn and the river.

I guess there must be something to those Major League Baseball Jinxes. The Cubs and Red Sox lost in such improbable manners and totally spoiled the playoffs for me. I have zero interest in watching the Yankees and the Marlins play. I donít think the Marlins have a chance now. They have 1 great arm that might just be all used up.

I found this hand interesting. I wonder how everyone else plays this. A good player (Acesdad) open raises in MP. Everyone folds to me and I have As 8s. In any position except the button I fold this. ATs or higher I would play, but on the button there are some hands I play just for the reason that I can expect to get the last bet if I make my hand. Curious if others call raises with suited Aces? Two other things to consider. I know how well he plays, because he plays very similar to me, and by that I mean I donít expect him to make many plays against me. So if I get 3 bet I can safely lay it down. On the other hand, Iím playing under my Empire alias. He knows me well as davidross, but may not know much about this ID. I donít know if that will affect his play. Both blinds fold and weíre heads up. Flop comes 8c 6c 3h. He bets and I just call. Turn is 6d. He bets and I call again. River is the Th and he checks. I bet and he pays me off with his AQs. I didnít raise because Iím almost positive he will fold if he has the reverse dominated hand I think he has. Iím assuming AK. For the risk of giving him his 3 outer I get an extra bet. If he has the big pair I get 3 bet, probably call and see the turn then fold saving a bet. I think there are more unpaired hands he would play than paired, so I chose to just call down, and bet if he checks. Comments?


So another disappointing week comes to a close. Friday was a mediocre win of $208, after a small afternoon loss, but Saturday night was the same old, getting down over 250 in the first hour, fighting back slowly all night only to lose a horrible hand to a river gutshot and then never recovering to finish down $144 for the night. That gave me a very small win of $335 for the week. Better than losing I guess but not much of a salary. I havenít had a losing week in 16 weeks now, but Iím only averaging $700 / week for the last 5 weeks. Iím also disturbed that I had 3 losing days out of 7, but I really donít see how I could have avoided any of them. Just more evidence that although I still have an edge in these games, itís not as big as it used to be. I could sure use a big week but this week will be a short one too. Iím throwing a big party fro my wifeís 40th birthday next Saturday and my house will be full of visitors from Thursday on. Play will be limited as the kids will all be sleeping down here by the computer.

I had 6 or seven tables break on me last night. If two people leave or sit out at the same time, the table will break within 4 or 5 hands it seems. Itís crazy. I know most people donít like to play shorthanded, but not even waiting an orbit or two seems crazy. A lot of times they sit out to wait and see, and Iíve been at tables with 3 of us playing and 4 or 5 sitting out. Twice I took a bathroom break and came back to find a full table gone.

I played in a freeroll on Friday night at Party. It was No Limit and there were 1200 players. First prize was $5,000. I lasted 16 hands. In those 16 hands I got AA, KK and QQ and lost about a 3rd of my stack on each. Two of them to sets, and one to a full house. Kind of put an exclamation point on my week. Big hand after big hand cracked.

I keep running into players I would describe as too loose pre-flop, but very good post flop. I believe this is the way I used to play, and itís very difficult to play against, because you get caught when one of their unusual opening hands hits. I wonder a bit if Iíve gotten too predictable in my play now.

This whole affiliate thing is becoming a problem. I signed up as an affiliate at Empire and Party and have had a lot of interest in the Empire program. I know of 1 guy who has signed up and 5 or 6 others who expressed interest. I cannot log in to see who has registered though and Empire support has not responded to me 3 days later. I have been told (and I believe there are entire threads in the Internet section on this) that if I register multiple players on one tracker, I will not be able to determine how much each has contributed, I will just be given a grand total for that tracker. And they will not give multiple trackers any more. Clearly they donít want people using the bonus system the way we are using it, but there is no logic to this. They want me(or any affiliate) to promote the site, and will pay us by the volume, but then wonít give us the tools to determine who is playing and who isnít. At least at Party I can see how many hands I have played in a given month, but Empire doesnít even provide this. Hopefully someone at Empire will get back to me soon (I guess they donít work weekends) and I can get some answers. My affiliate informed me that my rebate is at $500 already for October.

Playing a hunch. I open raised with TT and got cold called in MP. Everyone else folds. Flop comes J 6 4 rainbow and I bet. He raises me and I call. Turn is an Ace and I bet. He thinks and folds. Wonder if he had a J.

Playing a draw aggressively. Maybe too aggressive. Iget a free play from the BB with Jh Tc. 6 of us see the flop. Flop is 9d 8c 6h. I bet my open ender / overcard hand. One caller, then a raise. One cold caller then two folds back to me. I raise again and get one more fold and 2 more callers, but one of them is all-in. Turn is the Qc giving me the nuts. I bet and get called by the one person still left in the hand. River is the 2s and I bet and get called. Iím thinking that the 2nd raise on the flop wasnít a good idea. I think Iím very unlikely to win this hand without making my hand, so I should evaluate this raise as a value bet rather than including any bluffing possibilities. I drove out one player, and lost my chance for a turn raise. The raise probably only put $3 more in the pot, because the player that folded probably would have called one more bet. Then I could have chosen to raise either the turn or the river when I hit.

Good and bad with 99. The first hand started my comeback last night, while the 2nd one signaled the end of the comeback and the start of the 2nd slide.

Hand 1. I have 99 in MP. UTG raises and I cold call. One more cold acall and the BB 3 bets. 4 of us see the flop for 3 bets each. Flop is K 9 9. Wow!!! How do you milk this? BB bets out, UTG calls and I just call. Not yet. 4th player folds. Turn is Tc. BB checks, yuck. UTG bets and I think. I decide to wait again. I call and so does BB. River is the Jh. This could be good. BB checks, UTG bets and I raise. BB calls 2 cold and UTG raises. I cap it and BB folds. UTG calls. He had TT. I wonder how hard he would have pushed if I started raising the turn and whether the BB would have stayed.

Hand 2. I again have 99 this time on the button. We are 5 handed. UTG raises, co folds and I 3 bet my 99. I hoped to play him heads up but the BB calls too. Flop is the perfect As 9d 5s. Checked to me and I bet. BB calls, and UTG raises. I smooth call(the play that costs me the pot) and BB calls too. Turn is the Kd. Please let him have AK Iím thinking. UTG bets and I raise. BB thinks a long time and calls. Iím thinking spades, but why would he pause so long? UTG calls. River is the 2s. Crap. BB bets, utg calls and I make a crying call. BB had 4d 3d for the rivered straight. Honestly I didnít even see the straight. A very loose cold call pre-flop, but played properly after that I guess.

This week will mark the end of a half year. Iím trying to decide if I will keep posting weekly after that. 6 months seems like a good time to cut it off. I guess weíll see.


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leon
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Reged: 11/16/02
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Re: Playing online for a living week 25 [Re: davidross]
      #377140 - 10/19/03 04:17 PM

David,

interesting as always. I took a mini break from Party/Empire as I said I would and feel more ready to attack the tables again. As I said to you earlier perhaps you don't have that luxury since it's your "job". I did go to my usual haunt, foxwoods casino and got stuck about 300$ in a good 5 and 10 pot limit game. Small loss for those limits but considering the lineup it was a drag. High point of the evening was playing 5/10 w a kill with one of my old med school buddies who is getting into poker- couldn't pass that up. It's a lot lower than I normally play live but boy, how much fun. Played like a party 3/6 game too, only slower, and I didn't have 5 other tables going, and I didn't get fireworks when I won.

Interesting experience for you at the freeroll on Fri. I busted out quickly as well- got down to about 1000, then made it 400 to go wih 1010 after a small 100$ raise by someone I have position on. Rest fold, he calls. Flop comes Q96, I have about 500 left, he checks, which almost certainly means no queen, so I push it all in. He calls with A high. Called a 400$ raise preflop with a weak ace, and then missed the flop, yet called 500 some more for the rest of his stack. Of course, I neglected to count the runner runner flush outs which he duly hit. Sigh....

I for one would like to see your weekly posts continue. Keep at it.

Leon


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Vehn
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Reged: 09/02/02
Posts: 2752
Loc: Minneapolis, MN
Re: Playing online for a living week 25 [Re: davidross]
      #377169 - 10/19/03 05:05 PM

No offense but cold calling an MP open raise from a solid player with A8s on the button is awful.

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davidross
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Re: Playing online for a living week 25 [Re: Vehn]
      #377176 - 10/19/03 05:13 PM

No offense taken. I posted it because I'm curious where people draw the line. Would you call with AJs, or AQs? What is the weakest hand you would 3 bet?

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Vehn
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Re: Playing online for a living week 25 [Re: davidross]
      #377178 - 10/19/03 05:17 PM

I would probably 3 bet with AJs, AQo/s, 77+. I would fold ATs unless I really didn't respect the guy. I wouldn't call with anything except AA if the blinds were very tight.

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lefty rosen
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I have a question? [Re: Vehn]
      #377250 - 10/19/03 07:21 PM

Hey David how long do the cheques from party take to arrive?

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Petomane
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Re: Playing online for a living week 25 [Re: leon]
      #377251 - 10/19/03 07:21 PM

Oh, no, don't stop the posts!
I think if you took a week off playing poker it would do you a world of good. You're playing well, but you need to refresh your mind. After 6 months, one is entitled to a vacation.
$30,000 in 6 months? You've done incredibly well!


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soda
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Posts: 542
Loc: Los Angeles, California
Re: Playing online for a living week 25 [Re: davidross]
      #377265 - 10/19/03 07:51 PM

Quote:


I found this hand interesting. I wonder how everyone else plays this. A good player (Acesdad) open raises in MP. Everyone folds to me and I have As 8s. In any position except the button I fold this. ATs or higher I would play, but on the button there are some hands I play just for the reason that I can expect to get the last bet if I make my hand. Curious if others call raises with suited Aces? Two other things to consider. I know how well he plays, because he plays very similar to me, and by that I mean I donít expect him to make many plays against me. So if I get 3 bet I can safely lay it down. On the other hand, Iím playing under my Empire alias. He knows me well as davidross, but may not know much about this ID. I donít know if that will affect his play. Both blinds fold and weíre heads up. Flop comes 8c 6c 3h. He bets and I just call. Turn is 6d. He bets and I call again. River is the Th and he checks. I bet and he pays me off with his AQs. I didnít raise because Iím almost positive he will fold if he has the reverse dominated hand I think he has. Iím assuming AK. For the risk of giving him his 3 outer I get an extra bet. If he has the big pair I get 3 bet, probably call and see the turn then fold saving a bet. I think there are more unpaired hands he would play than paired, so I chose to just call down, and bet if he checks. Comments?





David, in a full ring game, I muck any suited aces in your position against an MP raiser. Even as high as AQs against some players. Certainly AQs would be my cutoff point of fold, call, reraise of which I'll do all three some percentage of the time based on the raising player.

Having said that, what you actually did was make a play against a player you know well. Your cards don't matter that much, you know the standard play is to just muck your A8 suited, but your play worked, your thinking is solid and I think it's good that in this one case you decided to play against a very well known opponent. I would be careful not to make a habit of it though, that could become a leak in your game quickly.

OK - I'm gonna read the rest now - nice post!



soda


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J_V
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Re: Playing online for a living week 25 [Re: davidross]
      #377282 - 10/19/03 08:30 PM

I have lost twice on the K-9-9 flop at party with 99, both times to straight flushes...the only two times I have ever lost with quads.

I was ready for a double deja vu there.


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Re: Playing online for a living week 25 [Re: soda]
      #377292 - 10/19/03 08:41 PM

I beg to differ, his play didn't work...he called AQ with A8 and flopped the 8. The ace high flop would have been fun, good luck getting away from it.

David - I'd stay away from this call.

Edited by J_V (10/19/03 08:48 PM)


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