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judgesmails
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One year as a "pro"
      #2678547 - 06/20/05 11:43 AM

When I quit my job last June I did not intend on playing poker for a living, but it seems to have turned out this way. I remember making a post on one of these forums responding to someone else about a year ago advising against playing poker for a living - and here I am doing just that.

My intention at the time was to take a short break from work and return to the job market in the fall when I returned from a trip to Aruba to play in the UB WPT event. I did not like the job I had at the time and wanted to take some time to reevaluate my career path and consider a career change. I worked as a Project Manager for a general contractor, had been working in the contracting business for about ten years and was considering trying something new. I had enough money saved to get by for about six months without working.

I had been playing poker for about two years and had found moderate success at the tables and had just started dabbling in online play and was finding it to be somewhat profitable – though not to the extent that many claim on these forums. So I concluded I could make a little money on the side playing poker while I sorted out my career choices.

I started out by going down to Bellagio every day to play live $15/30 and then maybe play an hour or two online at home. My online play consisted of one or two tables of $5/10. The live action was very good. The game had a lot of action and there were a lot of players playing over their head in that game. I think when people come to Vegas from other places they tend to take a shot at a bigger game than they are used to at home and tend to gamble a little bit more. This made for pretty games despite a fair number of very good local players who populate the game. I was pleasantly surprised how much I was able to make the first couple of months as my income from poker surpassed my income from my previous job – and I made a good living.

Online I was not as successful. I scuffled around for a few months making almost 1 BB per 100 playing one or two tables. After reviewing these forums some I found a rake back deal on Empire and decided to put more effort into my online play as I was getting bored with my routine and hoped I could approach the success many players claimed to be having. I moved down in limits and expanded to four tables of $2/4 and then quickly moved up to $3/6. My win rate stayed at about 1 BB per 100, but with more tables and the rake back deal, it was a little better than my previous online results, but not as good as my live play results. As my Aruba trip approached I was still planning on seriously looking for a job when I returned.

The Aruba trip was a turning point for me. Besides cashing in the main event, I made a final table of a side tourney, made good money in side cash games – and most importantly met someone who turned me on to the idea of propping online. He had been doing it for about a year and explained the how the deals worked. It sounded intriguing and I looked into it when I returned home.

As most of you know, propping involves starting new tables, playing heads-up, and playing short-handed. As soon as a table fills up and the game gets good, you have to leave the table. This was a major concern for me, as I was unsure of my ability to beat these games. But I decided to give it a shot. I had a tough go of it the first couple of weeks getting used to short-handed games and without the prop payments I could not have continued. But I stuck to it, researched short-handed play more and improved my game enough to learn to beat these games for a little bit. I bought a second monitor and eventually worked my way up to playing 6-8 tables at once and I now play any limit from $3/6 to $15/30. Since my rake back affiliate was flaking out on me and not paying as quickly anymore I quit playing Empire altogether and just focused my attention on the prop sites I was working for.

As I was working on my online game, I all but quit playing live. I found that I now did not have the patience required to play live anymore. The hands were too slow and it seemed like the variance was too much to handle. If I had a bad hour playing online it would only take an hour or two to recover. A bad hour of live play can take a day or two recover from. I now only play live poker if it is in a tournament or if I am out drinking and goofing around at lower limits with friends.

The income was enough that I had to strongly consider not returning to work. I did not think I could find a job that would pay me what I was now making but I was concerned about the effects my lifestyle was having on both my physical and mental health. My weight ballooned by 20+ pounds and I was not exercising at all. More worrisome to me was that I was shut in my house all day and had very little social interaction. The lack of social outlets led to feelings of isolation and at times moderate depression. Despite these negatives, I decided the money was enough to overcome these misgivings about my new “career”.

So here I am, one year into playing poker “professionally”. I do not think I am a particularly good player. I am just good enough to beat the games I play in and with the extra prop income I can make a solid living. I still struggle with my health concerns, especially the occasional depression I experience. I used to get a great sense of satisfaction and accomplishment from my job and I do not get that from poker. Despite the potential income, I still would not recommend anyone do this and somewhat regret going down this road myself. I wonder if and when I choose to return to the real world how I will explain my hiatus from the working world. I wonder if I can still muster up the discipline required to be successful working professional. Sorry the post is so long, but hopefully it was worth wading through.


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coffeecrazy1
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Re: One year as a "pro" [Re: judgesmails]
      #2678988 - 06/20/05 12:45 PM

"You think that isn't work what he does, grinding it out on his f***ing leather ass?"

No idea what made me think of that.


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Victor
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Re: One year as a "pro" [Re: judgesmails]
      #2680634 - 06/20/05 04:00 PM

good post judge. i quit my job a few monthes ago to play mostly online poker. it is staggering how much money i have made and have the potential to make but i am experiencing the same misgivings as you. it is so easy to become a worthless, unhealthy shutin. all my friends envy me but i often wish i could find a routine that contributes to my health and lessens my listlessness.

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AKQJ10
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Re: One year as a "pro" [Re: Victor]
      #2680719 - 06/20/05 04:10 PM

Quote:

i often wish i could find a routine that contributes to my health and lessens my listlessness.




Even though I'm not in this same situation, and may never be, it's an issue I've thought a lot about. Does your win rate allow you to take a day per week off and do some sort of volunteer work? I've always thought, if I did play professionally, that volunteer involvement would be an absolute necessity.


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Re: One year as a "pro" [Re: Victor]
      #2680846 - 06/20/05 04:23 PM

In comparison to many jobs today, I'm not sure what's unique about online poker that would induce an unhealthy lifestyle. E.g many office jobs require a person to sit on their asses in front of a computer for 8-12 hours straight. If you get fat playing online poker you'd probably get fat working an office job.

The social interaction is another factor, but I think that's easily remedied as well, especially since pro poker players have a lot more flexibility to spend time with friends, family.

The one thing that struck me re: the downside of pro poker is one 2+2er who said that playing for a living is tough emotionally (apart from all the expected emotionally tough aspects of poker) becuase you spend every working day of your life in direct conflict with those around you. That's kind of a brutal existence.


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Re: One year as a "pro" [Re: USGrant]
      #2681340 - 06/20/05 05:32 PM

"...direct conflict"

That is why 2+2, even, or perhaps especially, the less directly poker forums (like psych), is so important to many online pros.

In some ways, these forums are our co-workers, or at least our support network.


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Re: One year as a "pro" [Re: poker-penguin]
      #2681398 - 06/20/05 05:40 PM

"Support network" - as in barbed wire jock.

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SirArthur
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Re: One year as a "pro" [Re: judgesmails]
      #2682064 - 06/20/05 07:18 PM

I always enjoy these stories to see how others compare to myself, as I've been making my living for about a year now from playing online.

So thanks for typing it up.

I take atleast a day or two off a week from poker, and always find an hour here & there to excercise a few days a week. If I happen to go a few days without excercing I feel like a slug.

IMO-It is vital to keep the body well conditioned, as well as the mind to be successful in most any endeavor.

I do not understand why people can't find a 1/2 hour a few days a week to do some excercise. Lack of motivation I guess. Just do it, go for a fast walk, go for a bike ride, join a gym, or go for a short jog. Play some sports with some friends, just do anything active.

It will help with any depression you might be having as well.

If you go back to the work force, say you ran your own successful online business (online investing), and are now looking for a change.

Good luck to you...


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Re: One year as a "pro" [Re: toots]
      #2682581 - 06/20/05 08:26 PM

Quote:

"Support network" - as in barbed wire jock.




Perhaps, but I find hanging out at 2+2 helps me deal with playing for a living (as much as I try to deny that I am) - it also helps my game a little.


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Re: One year as a "pro" [Re: judgesmails]
      #2683484 - 06/20/05 10:12 PM

I hear ya. I used to work out most mornings before work, and thought, now I play poker for a living, I'll have lots of time to go to the gym, play golf, see my mates etc, but somehow, it just hasn't worked like that, and all time management and discipline goes out the window when you stop work, not to mention my diet. I think the routine of work is very useful. Im up about 30 lbs in 2 years, but the extra money doesnt make up for what I lose by not working. So Im planning on going back to work for 30 hours a week (at least 6 of which must be on the golf course) so that I can still play 20 hours of poker a week and have a life.


Bingo


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Al Schoonmaker
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Re: One year as a "pro" [Re: judgesmails]
      #2684610 - 06/21/05 12:54 AM

Thank you for an excellent post, and thanks also to the people who have contributed to this thread. As I have often said, without this forum I would have run out of ideas for columns and books.

Five years ago "Don't quit your day job" was an appendix in my "The Psychology of Poker." Among my reasons for that recommendation were some of the points you raised here.

Today playing professionally is immeasurably better than it was just a five years ago. The money is better. Some pros are acting more sensibly about their finances. And you do have support networks here and in other places such as the Wednesday Poker Discussion Group. You are all welcome to attend our meetings whenever you are in Las Vegas. Just send Howard Burroughs or me a PM, and we'll arrange it. You can read about us at cardplayer.com (magazine, writers, and my name).

Soon I will publish in our internet magazine a revision of my appendix. I still have some reservations about playing pro, but the situation has changed enough to update my position.

Regards,

Al


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andyfox
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Re: One year as a "pro" [Re: judgesmails]
      #2684710 - 06/21/05 01:07 AM

Terrific post, thanks.

"I do not think I am a particularly good player. I am just good enough to beat the games I play in and with the extra prop income I can make a solid living. I still struggle with my health concerns, especially the occasional depression I experience. I used to get a great sense of satisfaction and accomplishment from my job and I do not get that from poker. Despite the potential income, I still would not recommend anyone do this and somewhat regret going down this road myself."

At least your are realistic about your playing abilities. As for the health concerns, you could certainly find time to get in some exercise: first thing in the morning, or make it a routine to go for a walk or whatever at the same time every day.

The depression, and the feeling that your job is not worthwhile, is another thing. A few other 2+2ers and myself have talked about this peril of being a pro. Especially as an internet pro, it can be a solitary, unrewarding (psychologically speaking) life and lifestyle. It seems I see a lot of pros who are maladjusted, whereas there are a lot of non-pros who make a nice auxiliary income and are very tough players, without the pro-induced malaise. The fact that you have regrets and wouldn't, from your experience, recommend going pro, confirms my thoughts and observations about this.

But you seems like you're very aware of things and that's a good place to start from. Good luck to you.


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malorum
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Re: One year as a "pro" [Re: Victor]
      #2686052 - 06/21/05 07:21 AM

uxga laptop, hot holday resort, four tables two hours per day.
should cure the depressions.


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AKQJ10
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Re: One year as a "pro" [Re: andyfox]
      #2686786 - 06/21/05 10:30 AM

Quote:

The depression, and the feeling that your job is not worthwhile, is another thing. A few other 2+2ers and myself have talked about this peril of being a pro. Especially as an internet pro, it can be a solitary, unrewarding (psychologically speaking) life and lifestyle. It seems I see a lot of pros who are maladjusted, whereas there are a lot of non-pros who make a nice auxiliary income and are very tough players, without the pro-induced malaise.




In fairness, there are a lot of us who sit in cubicles all day who suffer from most or all of the forms of malaise here associated with full-time poker: sense of meaninglessness, depression, isolation. I'm not saying that they're unavoidable, or even denying that they might be more closely linked to working from home or working in the entertainment industry (which, in my book, includes F/T poker). I'm just saying that full-time "meaningful work" isn't the royal road to satisfaction that many posts on here seem to imply. Not to pick on andyfox or any other specific post; I'm really just using this opportunity to make a point that gets overlooked often in these discussions.

Edited by AKQJ10 (06/21/05 10:35 AM)


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Re: One year as a "pro" [Re: judgesmails]
      #2686787 - 06/21/05 10:30 AM

Quote:

I still struggle with my health concerns, especially the occasional depression I experience. I used to get a great sense of satisfaction and accomplishment from my job and I do not get that from poker. Despite the potential income, I still would not recommend anyone do this and somewhat regret going down this road myself.




Thanks for the great and very honest post. I think your post highlights a very important point that I've always strongly believed in - which is that a happy and successful life is not simply measured by how much money you make.


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Re: One year as a "pro" [Re: AKQJ10]
      #2687149 - 06/21/05 11:25 AM

Quote:

I'm just saying that full-time "meaningful work" isn't the royal road to satisfaction that many posts on here seem to imply.




I respectfully disagree. I think finding work that is meaningful is very important to a person's overall happiness. Maybe even the most important thing.

It's true that some people are stuck in jobs they don't find meaningful, but that doesn't mean all full-time "real jobs" fit that category. Everyone is different, and I think the key is to find the thing that's most meaningful TO YOU. Whether it's as a teacher, stockbroker, biologist, poker player, etc. depends on the individual.

Unfortunately many people see money as the sole measure of success. Which leads lots of people to strive for high-paying careers (including poker player, in some cases) that are a complete mismatch for their personality. If you look at people who love going to work every day (and yes, they are out there) - the amount of their paycheck usually has nothing to do with their level of happiness. Which is why I continue to think that a meaningful career - with poker as a fun and profitable sideline - is the best situation for most (not all) people.


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AKQJ10
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Re: One year as a "pro" [Re: revots33]
      #2688219 - 06/21/05 01:43 PM

I think we're in violent agreement. I concur that having something meaningful (to you) that you do each day is important; what I'm saying is that merely passing up f/t poker for a "day job" isn't remotely going to guarantee getting there. Perhaps my use of scare quotes is confusing things, but when I say "meaningful job" I mean a job that society claims is meaningful, not one that you find meaningful.

In fact, I would even daresay that if you're miserable in your day job and happy playing poker, there's nothing wrong with playing poker until you figure out what sort of day job would make you happier. That's sort of where I am right now, except that I'm temping to make ends meet instead of playing poker.


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Al Schoonmaker
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Re: One year as a "pro" [Re: revots33]
      #2688899 - 06/21/05 03:00 PM

As usual, I agree with you. More importantly, so did Freud.

He was once asked: What do people need to be happy? (I have not put the question in quotation marks because I'm not sure of the wording).

He replied, "To love and to work."

We need to relate to people with affection and to the world with meaningful work.

Regards,

Al


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Re: One year as a "pro" [Re: Al Schoonmaker]
      #2689154 - 06/21/05 03:29 PM

There is a mitigating factor at work(so to speak) for some of the posters on here, myself included, which ties into the "all these kids who want to go pro" post that continues to be discussed.

The problem is that young men and women in my age group(18-26) are largely still unsure as to what work is going to be meaningful to them. Sure, it's easy to make a decision that you are unhappy with your job and want to try poker after five or ten years. By this time, not only have you built up a bankroll that allows you to do so, but also, you have developed the emotional maturity to withstand the shift of moving into a more unconventional lifestyle.

I am 25, and am now working as a project assistant in a law firm. Right now, it's the perfect situation because it is not too demanding, it pays me a salary, and no one mistakes it for being anything other than a transitional job for people my age. I have no idea what I want to do, even after having completed a four-year college degree.

I worry about others my age who are not as fortunate, however. There is a real anxiety to contend with about finding the path you need to walk to feel as though your life is meaningful. After movies like Office Space and horror stories we hear about the cubicle life, many of us are terrified by the notion of being stuck in that rut, wasting away our lives.

So, we turn to something "easier," something "fun." The result? Broke and broken 24-year-old college graduates working minimum wage jobs, trying to rebuild a bankroll flushed into the coffers of the non-scared-money professionals(by that, I mean people with real jobs).

I'm not really sure where I was going with this, but I think I want to say this: the bettering of conditions for poker pros has dangerously intoxicating qualities for people my age. I just hope that they read the downside of the OP before making that move. Money is not everything, but it means a whole lot more to those who have never had it before.


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Re: One year as a "pro" [Re: judgesmails]
      #2689797 - 06/21/05 04:31 PM

Excellent post judge.

Frankly, it's refreshing to hear that you're making it but that it's certainly not as easy as many make it out to be.

Post after post of "I'm making $200K a year playing poker online" - I don't think so.

I suggest trying to work yourself back into the "working world" eventually.

My own personal story - I graduated from a top 20 MBA program last June. Of course, I thought the road would be paved with gold after doing so. And while I do make a decent living, my daily life is a true grind. I sit in a cubicle "grinding" out reports day in, day out.

Yet, I would never turn pro. The nice thing about my day job is that I look forward to playing poker at the end of the day. Poker is the best part-time job I've ever had. But, I am quite positive I would no longer enjoy it if the mortgage depended on it.


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Al Schoonmaker
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Re: One year as a "pro" [Re: coffeecrazy1]
      #2689845 - 06/21/05 04:37 PM

Your words were marvelous: "bettering of conditions for poker pros has dangerously intoxicating qualities for people my age."

You're right.

TY,

Al


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coffeecrazy1
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Re: One year as a "pro" [Re: Al Schoonmaker]
      #2689953 - 06/21/05 04:51 PM

I appreciate it, Al, if for no other reason than it vindicates my receiving a degree in English.

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Re: One year as a "pro" [Re: coffeecrazy1]
      #2690176 - 06/21/05 05:16 PM

Man, that was one fine post, Coffee.

I thought the OP was great. This is great, too.

To the rest of you: If you go into the 8-5 workday world with the expectation that it'll suck, you're setting yourself up for disappointment and failure. At the very least, no matter how frightening it might seem, you should at least allow yourself the possibility of enjoying a traditional job/career. Who knows? You could surprise yourself, and come out with a lot more contented life in spite of your fears.


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Re: One year as a "pro" [Re: coffeecrazy1]
      #2690316 - 06/21/05 05:34 PM

I spent most of my life trying many many different jobs wondering what I was going to do when I grew up. I think that is normal for many people. I was always amazed at friends and casual friends who knew from eight years old what they wanted and followed through with it.

Life balance is the most important item to me. This coming from a person who's first and second job was a cemetary grounds keeper, and ranch hand for $.50 an hour as a barely legal working kid. I really enjoyed being a short order cook many many years ago too, but it did not cover my other needs very well. Now about thirty jobs later I am at a Fortune 100 company and I love it! I know my past jobs prepared me to enjoy my work now, and without them I would be just another disgruntled unhappy slug in the workforce.

I think for most people as you cruise past 35 and head towards 40 the less important things start falling away from your life and your focus changes to what is important to you. That is when most people start understanding what they want out of life and what makes them happy. Major lifestyle and job changes are common in this age group, imo.

Until anyone gets there, I would offer you just enjoy the trip and try many many things and do not be afraid to quit a so so job, even poker, and take on something completely new, you might actually enjoy doing it! You can always go back.

Much better to be in a wheel chair, drooling in a rest home thinking about what you did do, than thinking about what you could have done....


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Re: One year as a "pro" [Re: judgesmails]
      #2693962 - 06/22/05 01:53 AM

Judge,

I've followed an eerily similar path: Project Manager for a contracting firm...for me in the finance industry...steady normal job for many years with poker as a side hobby. But since I've made the move to playing full-time, I WILL NEVER GO BACK. What so many consider "real jobs" is often what really bothers me....mostly speaking about corporate America. I cringed daily when listening to the "office space" banter around the copier. When I left, I left proudly. I told people exactly what I intended to do, and I loved seeing everyone's astounded looks that someone would actually take such a risk...try something as ridiculous as GAMBLING for a living.

I've never regretted it. I still get up every morning excited to see the cards come down...constantly thinking about how to improve my game.

I do go out of my way to go outside daily, exercise, and lead as much of a social life as possible...and this is utterly essential, getting into the sun and finding a NEW hobby now to replace what poker was. Hopefully one that will put you in contact with other people. It's the balance. And yes vacation! Do those package deals/tours. As soon as I get back from one trip, I'm planning the next one. To me it's what I'm meant to do. A "real" job could never touch this.


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Re: One year as a "pro" [Re: SirArthur]
      #2694931 - 06/22/05 06:55 AM

I concur with physical activity being great for morale. In fact since you might feel "bad" or "empty" because you spent all those hours playing a "fake" job, exercising should make you feel just the opposite.

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Re: One year as a "pro" [Re: fooz]
      #2694951 - 06/22/05 07:08 AM

Good post fooz (and OP), very nice to hear from both sides of the medal.

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Re: One year as a "pro" [Re: NDHand]
      #2699119 - 06/22/05 05:28 PM

Great post Judge, (and Mike),

I am not in your shoes, but would love to go pro someday. Like you, I could see myself not pulling away from the monitor, getting mild depression, and becoming anti-social. I've thought that to combat this, I would have to literally schedule exercise and social activies: i.e. 3:00 p.m. cardio-boxing class at the health club, joining the men's night league at the golf course, taking classes at a local college, that kind of thing.
Good luck to you.


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Re: One year as a "pro" [Re: revots33]
      #2699507 - 06/22/05 06:17 PM

revots,

I disagree that this is the case for even the majority of people. Trying to find your happiness out of a job could easily lead you to a life of depression when you wake up and realize that its not all that you thought it was cracked up to be. Most jobs that pay anything decent (and this is a must) pay well because they aren't all that easy or require a huge life sacrifice. Most of them also require you to sit on your arse for 8 hrs per day in front of a cpu and being stuck living in a boring ass place (like Indiana) where there is nothing to do on the weekends. If you can make >=60K/yr playing poker, and you feel reasonably confident that you can, I see no reason whatsoever for not doing it.

And to the people that say they gain weight, become socially inept, etc...Well most of them would be that way with or without poker...Walk around my floor at work and I will show you some really high paid degenerates who should be beaten repeatedly in the face with a heavy piece of mining equipment:)

Ahhh, glad that's off my chest. Anybody out there actually like playing pkr for a living?

Indiana


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Going pro.... [Re: judgesmails]
      #2702461 - 06/23/05 01:12 AM

I've spent many hours every day reading and playing poker since the age of about 17..I am almost 23 just graduated college. I won 10k in past 2 months. Won 8k online (was up 11k, gave back 3k) took some time off and haven't returned. Partly this is because its the last 2 wks of college and I want to just party and partly because I don't want to give any back(games are softer in ac, more money.) Just wanted to inform the group and I will post my progress in the coming weeks. How does this relate to the going pro post for our age group? Here is my two cents...If you are itching on going pro...go ahead sit at that table for one week see who your up against day in and day out and decide for yourself if you want to take the plunge....o yeah...if it doesn't work your life isn't over...but unless your a trustfund baby yes you will have to start applying for jobs.

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Re: Going pro.... [Re: wontons]
      #2702727 - 06/23/05 01:52 AM

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I've spent many hours every day reading and playing poker since the age of about 17..I am almost 23 just graduated college. I won 10k in past 2 months. Won 8k online (was up 11k, gave back 3k) took some time off and haven't returned. Partly this is because its the last 2 wks of college and I want to just party and partly because I don't want to give any back(games are softer in ac, more money.) Just wanted to inform the group and I will post my progress in the coming weeks. How does this relate to the going pro post for our age group? Here is my two cents...If you are itching on going pro...go ahead sit at that table for one week see who your up against day in and day out and decide for yourself if you want to take the plunge....o yeah...if it doesn't work your life isn't over...but unless your a trustfund baby yes you will have to start applying for jobs.




One week is not near long enough to know what you are
facing. Anyone who goes pro after a week or a month
has to face a higher rate of failure.


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Re: One year as a "pro" [Re: Indiana]
      #2705256 - 06/23/05 12:03 PM

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Trying to find your happiness out of a job could easily lead you to a life of depression when you wake up and realize that its not all that you thought it was cracked up to be.




This statement could just as easily apply to people who chose to play poker for a living.


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Re: One year as a "pro" [Re: judgesmails]
      #2727284 - 06/26/05 01:53 PM

Hey, Judge,

This is just a fascinating post and thread. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

My own experience is kind of at the opposite end of the scale. I am retired, and play poker (not all that well, I'm afraid!) for pleasure, a little money and the fun of learning to play a tough game. For me, turning it into a job would kill all the fun, and I'd probably quit playing.

One thing that struck me was this: a guy doing what you do needs to get out of the house, for exercise, recreation, and to break out of the rut.

Here in 'Vegas there are plenty of "24 Hr Fitness" centers. I go to one most mornings very early. You can get in a nice workout, with the added dividend of seeing some attractive young women in limited attire. I think the workout is very valuable in making me feel better both physically and mentally. Plus I have a few acquaintances there now, and it's nice to talk with them a little. You don't have to become a fitness nut, but 15-30 minutes on a machine should be possible with a little work, and will tone you up a little.

Going out for lunch, preferably with one or more friends, daily or nearly so, is a good outing that breaks the mold of isolation that can build up when you are in the house too much. Having some friends or "friendly acquaintances" will help with the depressing feelings of isolation that can build up.

One of the other posters here said a good thing: if you quit your job, and take your hobby of poker and turn it into your new job, you need a new hobby. Pick one. It will rest your mind and bring you back to your job/game with a fresh mind. "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy."

These are just a couple of ideas. I hope you find something in them to help you.

bill c


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Re: One year as a "pro" [Re: judgesmails]
      #2727801 - 06/26/05 03:20 PM

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I still would not recommend anyone do this and somewhat regret going down this road myself




I am a little concerned about your post because it sounds like you do NOT want to play poker professionally. I think that you should return to a regualar job if poker is not making you happy. I have personally wanted to be a pro or semi-pro poker player, but do not yet have the skills. But when I acquire those skills I will probably give it a try. But the reason I would like to be a pro poker player does NOT revolve around the money, but instead I think I would enjoy it as a job, am a very competitive person, like the idea of no boss, and choosing own hours. However, if I ever choose to play poker professinally and find out that it is NOT as enjoyable as I had once thought, then I will get a job in another field that interests me, such as economics or psychology.


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Re: One year as a "pro" [Re: Al Schoonmaker]
      #2732015 - 06/27/05 01:54 AM

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Soon I will publish in our internet magazine a revision of my appendix. I still have some reservations about playing pro, but the situation has changed enough to update my position.




Very weird: I was just thinking about that section of your book today. Glad you are rethinking it


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