GrannyMae
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this is a free country and there is not much i can do about it.
however, i would like to make it perfectly clear that this banner in the classified
has NOTHING to do with me.
this person has decided to rip-off my persona and i wanted to make sure there is no confusion.
if you use this banner, you are NOT signing up under me. you are signing up under someone who has little imagination and less ethics.
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GrannyMae
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the person that has chosen to "steal" this code and piggyback on my hard work is jeremy enke from partyriches.com
i would steer clear of this site. i can't imagine he is trustworthy.
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PoorLawyer
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the person that has chosen to "steal" this code and piggyback on my hard work is jeremy enke from partyriches.com
i would steer clear of this site. i can't imagine he is trustworthy.
sue him for trademark infringement.
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GrannyMae
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the person that has chosen to "steal" this code and piggyback on my hard work is jeremy enke from partyriches.com
i would steer clear of this site. i can't imagine he is trustworthy.
sue him for trademark infringement.
there is not much i can do but complain to fulltilt (done), write him an email (done), and tell you guys that he is not me (done).
funny thing is that i had tried to sign up as a fulltilt affiliate a while ago and never heard back. so, imo, he is not only stealing the name, but he stole the code i would have chosen.
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konions
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Granny (the *real* one),
You should have a word (or several thousand) with the forum owners. Tell them they have a choice as to whether they carry your adverts or the imposter. It should be a no-brainer for them to decide which they prefer, both commercially and morally.
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Reef
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good call. Why did the mods even allow it?
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Drunk Bob
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What do I care? I was banned by your homie site and hate FT.
Buzz off.
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Grinder
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Yes I was duped. Signed up. Very Unimpressed with the Whole set up played 25 hand removed my monies immediatly and don't wish the experience on anyone. The site I believe has the same scruples as your imposter. very misleading and deceptive
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MicroBob
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I agree.
While this isn't specifically against the rules as enforced by the mods they DO have a choice as to whether they accept the ad or not and the decision on whether to or not should be obvious.
You are a valued member at 2+2....and it's not like Mason and the gang can't SEE what this other guy is trying to do.
By accepting the ad, 2+2 is essentially approving of his tactics.
Again: 2+2 does NOT have to accept the ad.
If I own a car-dealership called Microbob Chevrolet and have been advertising on the same TV station for 20 years and have a good relationship with that station then I can reasonably expect them to not accept an ad from a copy-cat car-dealership calling themselves Microbobb Ford.
What to do about the guy ripping off my name is up to me.
But the TV station with whom I have had loyalty to should do the right thing and not air their advertisments.
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astroglide
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i would talk to mat about it too
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PoorLawyer
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the person that has chosen to "steal" this code and piggyback on my hard work is jeremy enke from partyriches.com
i would steer clear of this site. i can't imagine he is trustworthy.
sue him for trademark infringement.
there is not much i can do but complain to fulltilt (done), write him an email (done), and tell you guys that he is not me (done).
I dont know what kind of money you pull in from your paradise stuff to know whether it is worth doing something, but you do have legal rights beyond merely complaining to full tilt and to the guy.....it is irrelevant if you have your name registered or anything as he is using the same or confusingly similar mark to operate in the same line of business. It could come down to the legality of poker sites in the U.S. in general though which is suspect at best....
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GrannyMae
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i've sent the forum-master this thread.
hopefully somethng can be done. i think this kid is a real scumbag. if you look at his site partyriches.com, it is apparent he like to steal lots of things.
there is no question that the value of the GRANNY code decreases when lazy imposters like this try and piggyback on all the money i have spent to market the code.
my first intentions are making sure that you guys know it is not me because if he is a ripoff kind of guy (likely), then i will suffer too if it is not clear that this is not my banner.
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GrannyMae
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good call. Why did the mods even allow it?
in their defense sandman, i don't think they check unless there is a complaint. it is automated sign-up process.
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skoal2k4
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is this the guy that'll be wearing the pink bunny suit at the main event? I swear I saw the pic of him at the computer on ebay when he was auctioning off the "billboard rights" for that bunny suit
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GrannyMae
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is this the guy that'll be wearing the pink bunny suit at the main event? I swear I saw the pic of him at the computer on ebay when he was auctioning off the "billboard rights" for that bunny suit
please don't tell me it is same guy. the one that thought he could get 25k for wearing it?
i'm sure plenty of you can understand how angry i am at this point, but if it is same guy then he is a real tool and will probably not listen to reason.
perhaps it is time to spend some of my retainer and get a legal opinion as per PL's suggestion.
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MicroBob
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I'm not a lawyer of course....but I can't see what legal recourse you have.
"Hi...This guy has taken the name I use to sign-up players for quasi-legal off-shore gambling sites"
sounds to me to be pretty similar to
"That drug-dealer is using the same name I use to sell drugs. It's really hurting my business and I think I should sue."
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skoal2k4
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Ebay Auction
I say you just go kick his pink-bunny-outfit-wearing ass... but that's just me 
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GrannyMae
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good call. Why did the mods even allow it?
i am very happy to report that the forum master is doing what he can for me.
Grinder, i am VERY sorry you were mislead. i'm going to get you an entry in the next toejam.
i'm going to stay out of and let this thread die so i don't exasperate the situation further. also, i need to allow time for the help i am getting on this issue to run its course and hopefully get resolved.
thx guys
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GrannyMae
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Ebay Auction
I say you just go kick his pink-bunny-outfit-wearing ass... but that's just me
this kid got 15k from golden palace and he needs to rip me off?
sigh
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PoorLawyer
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I'm not a lawyer of course....but I can't see what legal recourse you have.
"Hi...This guy has taken the name I use to sign-up players for quasi-legal off-shore gambling sites"
sounds to me to be pretty similar to
"That drug-dealer is using the same name I use to sell drugs. It's really hurting my business and I think I should sue."
well there are international laws for IP rights that this may fit under.
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SuitedSixes
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I'll bet he doesn't even have grandkids! 
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Pokeraddict
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I assume this is the same guy as the Pink Bunny auction? If so here are a couple of threads he started I will be happy to put my 2 cents in about his actions. These are his posts about his auction. Others should know what he is up to.
Casinomeister post
Winneronline thread
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GrannyMae
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quick update:
with the help of the 2+2 forum-master, fulltilt has taken care of this.
thanks again to everyone who encouraged me to not take it laying down.
regards
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TylerD
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its still in the classifieds btw.
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I Play 2 Ski
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Partyriches what a [censored] joke. what a male member sucker
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Losing all
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That's pretty low Mr Enke, you silly little bitch.
I sh!t on you.
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Freudian
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Scumbag thing to do, but probably +EV for him.
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brian_frets
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no offense, but I don't understand why this is a big deal..
(probably because I've been at 2+2 for less than a month....)
could someone explain to a poor noob?
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CrazyN8
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Granny has been a respected member of 2+2 and is well known for the GRANNY code. This guy is trying to use this reputation (read steal) to get people to use his(stolen) affiliate code so that he can make more money. Pretty crappy thing to do.
Edited by CrazyN8 (04/04/05 07:41 PM)
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Joe826
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i think it's clever.
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Pov
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i think it's clever.
It is pretty undeniably clever. It's also pretty undeniably underhanded.
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Greg J
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Dude, you own a dealership? Sweet! Those Party 15/30 games ARE lucrative!
Can you hook me up with a sweet deal on a Impala?
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brian_frets
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Granny has been a respected member of 2+2 and is well known for the GRANNY code. This guy is trying to use this reputation (read steal) to get people to use his(stolen) affiliate code so that he can make more money. Pretty crappy thing to do.
okay, thanks.
but isn't Granny Mae a poker hand?
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skoal2k4
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but isn't Granny Mae a poker hand
yes, Granny Mae hand is Q5 of spades
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GrannyMae
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no offense, but I don't understand why this is a big deal..
(probably because I've been at 2+2 for less than a month....)
could someone explain to a poor noob?
hi brian.
this really has nothing to do with newer members not understanding because of time in forum etc.
this is about a person that decided to take advantage of an unregulated market and steal the brand that someone created.
if i were to open up a poker forum and call it www.two-plus-two.com, that would be pretty scummy. but it probably would be EV+.
if i were to open a rake rebate site called moon-dogpoker.com (or whatever), i would do this only so i could steal the name that these sites and people have worked hard to create.
it has nothing to do with whether GRANNY is copyright protected or not. it has to do with an individual creating a bonus code with the SOLE purpose of deception that would be caused by confusion, and him creating this code to capitalize on another person's business.
i have bills to pay like everyone else. for this person to come to this environment and slap a banner in the classifieds to cash in on the name recognition of the banners in the main forums is deplorable IMO.
if fulltilt and the owners of this forum had decided to not assist me, there really was no recourse i could turn to. so what would i do to combat this?
how about if i started a mock site like party-riches.com? do you think this individual would have thought it was clever? in the absence of jurisdiction, i had only the forum owners and fulltilt to turn to. i think it was an easy decison for them because they are business people with morality.
how about if i were to go to dobrosoft (or write my own code) and open a site called full-tilt.com. do you think that would be ok? there's not much anybody could do to stop me. however, fortunately for me, most poker people that are successful understand that certain things, while quasi-legal, are completely unacceptable business practices.
this person not only made no attempt to differentiate, he actually mimiced my style of the classified as well as completely presenting his code as if it were another individual placing the ad.
i think pov stated it best:
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It is pretty undeniably clever. It's also pretty undeniably underhanded.
as far as i am concerned, this issue is closed. if the mods want to lock this thread it would suit me fine. i have a family to support and i was not going to let that ad remain there without everyone knowing it was not mine.
all i can do is tell you my take on the situation and ask people to put themselves in my shoes and then tell me if it was clever or whether it was a major breach of ethics.
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bort411
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Since when can someone claim that a WORD belongs to them? Or they are the only one entitled to use it? Granny, I respect you as a poster, and I made you money when I signed up using your code at Paradise, but this is silly. Also, doesn't your post violate the sticky regarding the no affiliate zone?
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GrannyMae
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Since when can someone claim that a WORD belongs to them?
they can't
he probably would have had no problem defending himself if i could have even found the right place to sue.
as far as my post violating the rules, it does not.
however, there is a notify moderator button if you feel it does..
my intentions were to stay out of this because it was solved but i wanted to explain some things. apparently i did not explain them properly because you missed the entire point.
anyway, maybe one day you will be in a similar situation and you will understand. in the meantime i really have nothing else to add that i did not say already so it is time to shut my mouth.
best wishes
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MicroBob
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what granny said...AND....
a reminder that Granny felt an obligation to let people know that it was someone else.
Anyone who signed-up under this code was probably duped into thinking that it was THE granny and would never even imagine it was someone else just using the same name. Granny is to be commended for wanting tl clear this up (and naturally has a personal stake in this as well).
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CountDuckula
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i think it's clever.
Sure. So is hiding an Ace up your sleeve.
-Mike
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Player12345
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Since when can someone claim that a WORD belongs to them? Or they are the only one entitled to use it? Granny, I respect you as a poster, and I made you money when I signed up using your code at Paradise, but this is silly. Also, doesn't your post violate the sticky regarding the no affiliate zone?
what a stupid comment. do you think the guy made the bonus name GRANNY because he loves his GRANNY? i think not. if you think this is fine then you are an idiot. then you claim affilliate zone crap? if you read you will see she is not even an ftp affilliate. rofl
i'm not here to defend granny at all. i disagree with her more than not but you are just trolling. dude's an [censored] that made the code.
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