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UncleRemus 06-28-2004 01:36 AM

Queens on the Bubble on the Button
 
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (5 handed)

saw flop|<font color="C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="C00000">MP (t4670)</font>
Button (t720)
SB (t1170)
<font color="C00000">Hero (t1210)</font>
<font color="C00000">UTG (t230)</font>

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises to t230 (All-In), MP raises to t4670 (All-In), <font color="666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls t1010 (All-In),

Flop: (t6210) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players, 3 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t6210) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players, 3 all-in)</font>

River: (t6210) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players, 3 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t6210
<font color="green">Main Pot: t790 (t790), between MP, Hero and UTG.</font> &gt; <font color="white">Pot won by MP (t790).</font>
<font color="green">Pot 2: t1960 (t1960), between MP and Hero.</font> &gt; <font color="white">Pot won by MP (t1960).</font>
<font color="green">Pot 3: t3460 (t3460), returned to MP.</font>

Results in white below: <font color="white">
Hero shows Qh Qc (two pair, queens and sixes).
UTG shows Qs 8c (one pair, sixes).
MP shows Ac Kh (two pair, kings and sixes).
Outcome: MP wins t6210. </font>

I should sneak into the money without too much trouble if I lay the cards down, but I have to put the big stack on either a mid pocket pair up to jacks, or AJ, AK. In this situation, agianst an opponent who hasn't been playing too tight, is this read about right? Should I have feared AA or KK? Would this be a call to make again in the future or one to steer clear of?

jslag 06-28-2004 02:11 AM

Re: Queens on the Bubble on the Button
 
I would find it difficult to fold here, but that's probably the correct choice given that MP has you covered big time and is already all-in. I don't think you can discount AA or KK here either.

Even if your read is correct that he has AK (which it was), QQ is only a 47% favorite versus AKo and another unknown hand (UTG). If I know he has AK, I am probably folding here and going to wait for a more favorable opportunity to double up. Easier said than done though.

MP wants you to call here, he is only investing a 1/3 of his stack to take both of you out with a very good holding (AKo).

Tough call, but I generally play QQ a lot more conservatively (especially with heavy preflop raises in front of me) than AA or KK.

HajiShirazu 06-28-2004 02:40 AM

Re: Queens on the Bubble on the Button
 
I don't think MP would shut everyone else out of the pot with AA/KK although it is possible...I expect to see AK/AQ or a worse pair almost always here.
In this situation I always call, it's highly unlikely you will see a better hand than queens for the rest of the tournament and I would say that in this situation, on average you will win about 60-70 percent of the time (not against the hands you were against in this hand, just against the range of hands that could bet in this manner.)
The big stack could just as easily have had nines through jacks or AQ-AT in which case you are a heavy favorite. What a great chance to double up and have a nice stack, I would be thrilled to see a big stack all-in ahead of me and QQ in my hand, sorry it didn't work out for you here.
Finally I find that sneaking into the money is almost always a terrible strategy that backfires against me, the only way I could ever see folding here is if another player was going to have to be all-in after posting the BB in which case I might consider folding but still might not.

Girazze 06-28-2004 04:13 AM

Re: Queens on the Bubble on the Button
 
Two all-ins ahead of your QQ is a no-brainer fold to me. Short stack all-in, not a problem to call with only T230. Your QQ is just too weak to call the chipleader's all-in. Make a practice of it and you'll see for yourself.

Tosh 06-28-2004 04:23 AM

Re: Queens on the Bubble on the Button
 
Easy call.


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