Loosing on the bubble... Bad play?
 

Hi this is one of my first posts. I have a doubt about this history hand. Mistake or not? My spanish friends in other discussion say that I made a terrible move.. is it true?
I was 9th and the money starts at place 6. I dont know if I did well going all in with this kind of hand. I think I was playint too tight in the bubble and I would like to change it.
Thanks
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Hand #9380693-300 at Wed9amA-006 (No Limit tournament Hold'em)
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Started at 02/Nov/05 11:51:52

sheriff15 is at seat 1 with 10005.
ShamefulBronz is at seat 2 with 18115.
Irish_Bomb is at seat 3 with 18915.
KlaussBB is at seat 4 with 8680.
bones76 is at seat 5 with 23680.
The button is at seat 1.

sheriff15 posts ante (125).
ShamefulBronz posts ante (125).
Irish_Bomb posts ante (125).
KlaussBB posts ante (125).
bones76 posts ante (125).
Irish_Bomb posts the small blind of 600.
KlaussBB posts the big blind of 1200.

sheriff15: -- --
ShamefulBronz: -- --
Irish_Bomb: -- --
KlaussBB: 5s 5c
bones76: -- --

Pre-flop:

bones76 raises to 2400. sheriff15 folds.
ShamefulBronz folds. Irish_Bomb folds. KlaussBB
goes all-in for 8555. bones76 calls.

Tournament all-in showdown -- players show:

KlaussBB shows 5s 5c.
bones76 shows Td Jh.


Flop (board: Qc Qd 6h):

(no action in this round)


Turn (board: Qc Qd 6h 8c):

(no action in this round)


River (board: Qc Qd 6h 8c 9c):

(no action in this round)




Showdown:

KlaussBB has 5s 5c Qc Qd 9c: two pair, queens and fives.
bones76 has Td Jh Qc 8c 9c: straight, queen high.


Hand #9380693-300 Summary:

No rake is taken for this hand.
bones76 wins 18335 with straight, queen high.

Re: Loosing on the bubble... Bad play?
 

Oh great, another bad beat post.

Your push was fine. I want JTo to call me there each and every time.

Re: Loosing on the bubble... Bad play?
 

I think it was a bad beat, This is why i dindt want to post about it, but some people told me that this move was completly wrong. Im confuse

Re: Loosing on the bubble... Bad play?
 

i'm guessing that you just want to know general ranges that you should be pushing with in this position on the bubble... i think a push with 55 is debatable but is the right move against an aggressive opponent who is frequently stealing blinds.

it all comes down to the image of the person who raises initially and your image as well. you are never getting a better hand to fold (maaaybe 66 or 77) and hands you coinflip with might call but the majority should fold. you played it fine, it sucks that a donkey called you with overs.

to the second poster, you don't want this call with JTo... you should learn a little about poker before criticizing so readily. given the dead money in the pot i would much prefer a fold to a call with two overcards like JT.

Re: Loosing on the bubble... Bad play?
 

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Mistake or not? My spanish friends in other discussion say that I made a terrible move.. is it true?


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Tell your friend to create an account and explain why he doesn't think you get your chips in here. BTW, an alternative here would have been to call the minraise and push the flop (stop-and-go).

Re: Loosing on the bubble... Bad play?
 

Let's see, you are pretty shortstacked and the blinds are huge compared to your stack. The big stack opens which he could do with any two cards. You look down at 55. I'd push instantly. Don't care about the bubble, you wanna win this.

12,585,434,400 games 27.802 secs 452,680,900 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 60.3249 % 59.64% 00.68% { 55 }
Hand 2: 39.6751 % 38.99% 00.68% { random }

At worst, i'd imagine him to have two overs which is a coin flip i'd take any day in this position.

Re: Loosing on the bubble... Bad play?
 

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you don't want this call with JTo

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LOL. What? So I guess you dont want a call from AK when you push with QQ either?

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you should learn a little about poker

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You should learn a little more about the poster before making those statements...

Re: Loosing on the bubble... Bad play?
 

running the EV calculation for 55 vs a random doesn't take into account the hands that actually call the all in. vs hands that call the all in, obviously you are losing since all bigger pairs and some overcard hands call. that being said, the other person folds often enough that it is definitely the right move.

i dont like a stop and go against a big stack because he could have any 2 cards. so if the flop comes down 972 and you stop and go, all of a sudden he calls you with 96 and you wish you had just pushed preflop. or you check fold a flop of AK9 when he has like 67s...

Re: Loosing on the bubble... Bad play?
 

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you don't want this call with JTo

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LOL. What? So I guess you dont want a call from AK when you push with QQ either?

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certainly not given the dead money overlay we have here. and i don't give a crap who you are. obviously my learn poker comment was somewhat facetious but in this situation, you are wrong, sir.

Re: Loosing on the bubble... Bad play?
 

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running the EV calculation for 55 vs a random doesn't take into account the hands that actually call the all in. vs hands that call the all in, obviously you are losing since all bigger pairs and some overcard hands call. that being said, the other person folds often enough that it is definitely the right move.

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True that it don't take those hands into account but I would call with pretty much anything here if I was villain. 1,76 to 1 to call if I got it right and Hero could take me for a pure steal pushing any two hands against me since it would be a huge addition to his stack if I fold. Of course, the higher cards the more likely I am to call but ok. That calculation may be misguiding by a few % but not by much.