44 vs. LPP
Villain is a delightful 67/3/.8
Should I be raising the turn donk bet for value? Too passive on the river? Thanks for all comments. Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is MP with 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. UTG calls, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB checks. Flop: (3.33 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls. Turn: (3.66 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls. River: (5.66 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, Hero checks. Final Pot: 5.66 BB Edit: Thinking about the hand further, I think the best line may be to smooth call the turn and bet the river. I don't want to prematurely fold a worse hand on the turn, and I need to get to a showdown here cheaply if I'm behind. Yes? |
Re: 44 vs. LPP
i'd prolly fold, given villains passiveness and the small size of the pot.
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Re: 44 vs. LPP
Fold flop, or turn?
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Re: 44 vs. LPP
I play it like you did. Unless he never bluffs or bets A-high on paired flops--then you can fold the turn. A river bet has negative value.
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Fold flop, or turn? [/ QUOTE ] fold turn |
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I play it like you did. Unless he never bluffs or bets A-high on paired flops--then you can fold the turn. A river bet has negative value. [/ QUOTE ] I don't see how it has negative value. This check screams A high IMO and he will call with that, maybe even K high. If he raises it is an easy fold. |
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[ QUOTE ] I play it like you did. Unless he never bluffs or bets A-high on paired flops--then you can fold the turn. A river bet has negative value. [/ QUOTE ] I don't see how it has negative value. This check screams A high IMO and he will call with that, maybe even K high. If he raises it is an easy fold. [/ QUOTE ] This is what I was thinking too. My feeling is that a .8 AF coupled with a VP$IP that high is actually not that passive. As it happens, villains AF is now up to about 1.4 after 50 more hands so my initial read wasn't as trustworthy as I thought. Villain turned over A5 and MHIG. Thanks all for the comments. |
Re: 44 vs. LPP
Why does it scream A-high? I think it screams "3 that is afraid of the 6" or "PP that is afraid of the J". His flop and turn bets certainly didn't scream A-high did they?
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Not saying definitely A high, just the chance is somewhat higher than a 3. 3-ways even passives bet A high on a flop like this knowing they likely have the best hand.
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It's certainly a possibility which is why I plan to see a showdown from the moment of his turn bet. But I don't think he has A-high or worse anywhere close to 50% here when he calls on the river.
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