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Karak567 06-14-2005 11:53 PM

10 + 1 late stages - AQ folded pre-flop.. .thoughts?
 
No reads...

PokerStars Game #1902067177: Tournament #8871054, Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (1500/3000) - 2005/06/14 - 23:52:30 (ET)
Table '8871054 120' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: MF-2 (51528 in chips)
Seat 2: Rounder714 (53344 in chips)
Seat 3: kmac_curler (7575 in chips)
Seat 4: erb4321 (78527 in chips)
Seat 5: Robbar301 (16675 in chips)
Seat 6: Sandrella (20616 in chips)
Seat 7: UAKO (15047 in chips)
Seat 9: jselizmd (30080 in chips)
MF-2: posts the ante 150
Rounder714: posts the ante 150
kmac_curler: posts the ante 150
erb4321: posts the ante 150
Robbar301: posts the ante 150
Sandrella: posts the ante 150
UAKO: posts the ante 150
jselizmd: posts the ante 150
Robbar301: posts small blind 1500
Sandrella: posts big blind 3000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to erb4321 [Qc Ah]
UAKO: raises 11897 to 14897 and is all-in
jselizmd: folds
MF-2: folds
Rounder714: folds
kmac_curler: folds
erb4321: folds
Robbar301: folds
Sandrella: folds
UAKO collected 8700 from pot
UAKO: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8700 | Rake 0
Seat 1: MF-2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Rounder714 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: kmac_curler folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: erb4321 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Robbar301 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Sandrella (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: UAKO collected (8700)
Seat 9: jselizmd folded before Flop (didn't bet)

yabastid 06-15-2005 12:07 AM

Re: 10 + 1 late stages - AQ folded pre-flop.. .thoughts?
 
Karak,
I don't see how you can fold this. With Villian at just under 5BB's her pushing range is probably any Ace to K9s/KJo. I can't see this being +EV. Even if you lose the hand your still at 20BB's. And if the table is playing anywhere as tight as you, you will have plenty of opportunity to steal the blinds and build your stack back up. Unless I know Villian to be a rock I think I fold this 0/10 times.

Later,

yabastid

USCUNC 06-15-2005 12:27 AM

Re: 10 + 1 late stages - AQ folded pre-flop.. .thoughts?
 

Call it... he raised under the gun and after the blinds pop him he is in deep trouble. He is likely stealing with KJ or 95 any two at this point. After the blinds his steal effectiveness ie... his stack will be 11K or just 4x the blinds... anyone of the larger stacks being in the big blind will easily look up another 9K if they have any favorable two.

I call this.

yoadrians 06-15-2005 12:28 AM

Re: 10 + 1 late stages - AQ folded pre-flop.. .thoughts?
 
[ QUOTE ]
No reads...

PokerStars Game #1902067177: Tournament #8871054, Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (1500/3000) - 2005/06/14 - 23:52:30 (ET)
Table '8871054 120' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: MF-2 (51528 in chips)
Seat 2: Rounder714 (53344 in chips)
Seat 3: kmac_curler (7575 in chips)
Seat 4: erb4321 (78527 in chips)
Seat 5: Robbar301 (16675 in chips)
Seat 6: Sandrella (20616 in chips)
Seat 7: UAKO (15047 in chips)
Seat 9: jselizmd (30080 in chips)
MF-2: posts the ante 150
Rounder714: posts the ante 150
kmac_curler: posts the ante 150
erb4321: posts the ante 150
Robbar301: posts the ante 150
Sandrella: posts the ante 150
UAKO: posts the ante 150
jselizmd: posts the ante 150
Robbar301: posts small blind 1500
Sandrella: posts big blind 3000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to erb4321 [Qc Ah]
UAKO: raises 11897 to 14897 and is all-in
jselizmd: folds
MF-2: folds
Rounder714: folds
kmac_curler: folds
erb4321: folds
Robbar301: folds
Sandrella: folds
UAKO collected 8700 from pot
UAKO: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8700 | Rake 0
Seat 1: MF-2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Rounder714 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: kmac_curler folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: erb4321 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Robbar301 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Sandrella (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: UAKO collected (8700)
Seat 9: jselizmd folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[/ QUOTE ]

Perfect chance to KO a shortstack whose pushing range is very wide. Losing the hand doesn't kill you at all.

I like a call here.

baronzeus 06-15-2005 03:18 PM

Re: 10 + 1 late stages - AQ folded pre-flop.. .thoughts?
 
Easy fold.

He waited for a pocket pair/AKs/AKo/AQs/AQo/AJs/AJo and pushed with it when he got it.

Plus, what about the two people behind you?

ajmargarine 06-15-2005 04:24 PM

Re: 10 + 1 late stages - AQ folded pre-flop.. .thoughts?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Plus, what about the two people behind you?

[/ QUOTE ]

Easy call. Every time. And if one of those two push behind you, it's only T5000 more max. Only non pair hand you're beat by is AK, and JJ or less its a coinflip you can afford to take.

MLG 06-15-2005 04:27 PM

Re: 10 + 1 late stages - AQ folded pre-flop.. .thoughts?
 
If you aren't calling here MTTs probably aren't for you. You need to gamble when it gets late, there's no way around it.

CieloAzor 06-15-2005 04:43 PM

Re: 10 + 1 late stages - AQ folded pre-flop.. .thoughts?
 
This shortstack push is exactly what I would've been anticipating and hoping for. Easy call.

11t 06-15-2005 05:25 PM

Re: 10 + 1 late stages - AQ folded pre-flop.. .thoughts?
 
Not a bad fold, AQ is a hand you would much rather come in with a raise than call a big bet preflop. You are also only getting 1.5:1 odds and with people left to act behind you something could go wrong. I think this is one of those hands where I would like to know how big stacked you are in comparison with the rest of the tournament. I would definitely call here if I was among the chip leaders since you can lose this hand and still be decently chipped relative to both the blinds and the other players at the table.

I really don't give too much credence to the villain being UTG since this is an 11 dollar buy in and people play like chumps 90% of the time and since you are readless I'd just assume hes a donk.

I dunno, I the more I think about it the more I think this is a call. Perhaps one of those "inflection point" decisions. I would be more inclined to fold this if I had about 14-18xBB but since you are at 20+ I think you can call here, get more chips and use them to pound the table or you can lose this pot and grind it out like you we're planning on doing.

Anyways, marginal decision but I call.

billyjex 06-15-2005 06:15 PM

Re: 10 + 1 late stages - AQ folded pre-flop.. .thoughts?
 
I can't believe people say fold here. Shortstack is desperate and his range of hands is large. You're on the button as well and most of the players are out of the hand. CALL!


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