Declaring \"Raise\" and then deciding not to raise
 

I did this in a home game this weekend. It was my turn to bet and I declared "Raise". I put my call bet in front of me and as I was reaching for another stack to raise, the player to my left was already talking about calling my raise (which I hadn't decided how much yet). So I stopped and declared I "Call" and didn't raise. Nobody had a problem with it so we went on with the game.

Was that inappropriate play?
Was I obligated to raise after declaring?

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I did this in a home game this weekend. It was my turn to bet and I declared "Raise". I put my call bet in front of me and as I was reaching for another stack to raise, the player to my left was already talking about calling my raise (which I hadn't decided how much yet). So I stopped and declared I "Call" and didn't raise. Nobody had a problem with it so we went on with the game.

Was that inappropriate play?
Was I obligated to raise after declaring?

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Yes, I believe you had to raise. Now, its possible the guy on your left was being crafty and was trying to affect the amount of your raise by his comment.

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I did this in a home game this weekend. It was my turn to bet and I declared "Raise". I put my call bet in front of me and as I was reaching for another stack to raise, the player to my left was already talking about calling my raise (which I hadn't decided how much yet). So I stopped and declared I "Call" and didn't raise. Nobody had a problem with it so we went on with the game.

Was that inappropriate play?
Was I obligated to raise after declaring?

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Yes, I believe you had to raise. Now, its possible the guy on your left was being crafty and was trying to affect the amount of your raise by his comment.

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I don't think his play was blatantly inappropriate. Although it seems he is acting somewhat out of turn. Could be construed as angle shooting.

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Technically if you were playing 'by the rules' (IE not a 'home game' but a tournament) you had to raise, but since you hadn't finalized your bet and he announced call, you can easily shoot it back down to the minimum.

This happened in a WPT episode couple seasons ago. Noli Francisco announced raise and was insta-called by his opponent heads up and asked for a ruling and was forced to make a raise but made it a minimum raise rather then something more significant.

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the player to my left was already talking about calling my raise (

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What did he say exactly?

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the player to my left was already talking about calling my raise (

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What did he say exactly?

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I don't recall his exact words. But I understood him to mean that he was going to call any raise that I was going to make.

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What did he say exactly?

[/ QUOTE ]I think it barely mattered. Acting slightly out of turn is a shame, but announcing your raise and then deciding to call is a clear violation.

I say you can (of course) choose any valid raise you like, but there's no way you're allowed to just call.
-Sam

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Definitely an angle shoot, intentional or not.

I'd have made you make at least the minimum raise.

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This happened in a WPT episode couple seasons ago. Noli Francisco announced raise and was insta-called by his opponent heads up and asked for a ruling and was forced to make a raise but made it a minimum raise rather then something more significant.

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That was classic. They actually screwed up 3 televised hands in a row between them..........

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[quote}I don't recall his exact words. But I understood him to mean that he was going to call any raise that I was going to make.

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You're obligated anyway, but if you want to avoid this, call out your exact bet amount/

BTW to all viewers; if his opponent says "I'm calling whatever it is," is he now obligated to call any bet???