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elcheapo 07-08-2005 08:05 PM

Too aggressive??
 
1.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (5 handed) converter

UTG (t2490)
MP (t1046)
Button (t962)
SB (t1040)
Hero (t2462)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t962 (All-In)</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t662.

Flop: (t2074) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t2074) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t2074) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t2074

2. 2 hands later

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (5 handed) converter

Button (t2490)
SB (t746)
BB (t2074)
UTG (t1340)
Hero (t1350)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t1350 (All-In)</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls t1050.

Flop: (t2850) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t2850) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t2850) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t2850

jwsly1 07-08-2005 08:39 PM

Re: Too aggressive??
 
I realize that I am probably a more conservative player than some of the others on this forum - so from my prespective you definitly played this too aggressive (esspecially on the first hand). It seems to me that you are giving too much weight to suited cards. Although the BB was the short stack and would probbably go all-in with a much broader range of hands than most of the others - there is no way I would have called with only a 93s. Really the only thing you are hoping for is 3 clubs - even if you hit the 9 or 3 you have to hope that the BB doesn't hit anything, because you can guarantee at least one of their cards if not both of them are higher than a 9.

The second hand is a little more aggressive than I usually am, but I can understand that one more as you now have less than 5 BB left.

GL

EverettKings 07-08-2005 08:39 PM

Re: Too aggressive??
 
I love the first hand. Love it. Pot odds are marginal. Stack implications spectacular. Sucks you didnīt suck out.
Edit: on second examination the 2+:1 pot odds make this an easy call anyway, but I would have made it with significantly worse odds.


Second hand is marginal. I donīt know what kind of respect raises had gotten at this table, but that shortie is going to be looking for a hand to go, and after showing 93s on a call you might fall short of the respect you deserve. Then again you have 4 BBs and J7s isnt that bad.... I think its a marginal fold though.

Kings

elcheapo 07-08-2005 08:45 PM

Re: Too aggressive??
 
Its 660 to win 2100, so if my cards are live I have the correct pot odds. The question would be the chip standing I would have if I won outweighs the mid level chips if I lost. The 2nd one I'm hoping for some fold equity and live cards as well because otherwise I'm looking at having 3BB or less 2 hands later.

lastchance 07-08-2005 09:19 PM

Re: Too aggressive??
 
Stop thinking block-theory, it's getting you into a helluva of lot of trouble. Stack implications aren't spectacular, because of every chip matters when you need a decent stack you want to wait for people to get involved in confortations.

The difference between 6x BB and 4x BB is absolutely huge here. Thinking it doesn't matter is horrible.

That said, you're getting pot odds here, so I call.

J7s push is all about what your opponents will call you with. I like the push if you think your opponents will laydown A2.

beeyjay 07-08-2005 09:25 PM

Re: Too aggressive??
 
hand 1 is pretty standard with 4 people left. (2 to 1 on your money for less than 1/3 your stack) However as you now see in hand 2, its implications reach far further than this single hand. With 5 people left in a low buyin sng here I think I lay it down. Your opponsents will see this and think youre pushying with any two later on and this will kill you.

hand 2 after hand 1 I have trouble advocating a push here due to your image.


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