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kleraudio 12-30-2004 07:18 PM

insights on this play??
 
hey everyone i was wondering what you think of my play here. first let me give you my reasoning. i thought this players raise to 100 was kind of weak. I wanted to reraise to 300 but that would put in over half my stack so i just figured pushing would be better than raising. my question is :
1) should i have just called and pushed on a flop like this or fold to a bet w/ an overcard to my J on the flop or was my push PF a decent play.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (7 handed) converter

SB (t2280)
BB (t497)
UTG (t515)
MP1 (t1615)
Hero (t545)
CO (t1998)
Button (t550)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to t100</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t545 (All-In)</font>, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, MP1 calls t445.

Flop: (t1165) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t1165) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t1165) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t1165

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
MP1 has Ks Ah (two pair, kings and threes).
Hero has Jh Js (two pair, jacks and threes).
Outcome: MP1 wins t1165. </font>



thanks for the help everyone

Jim [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

t_perkin 12-30-2004 07:48 PM

Re: insights on this play??
 
I would say you made the right move here, merely by elimination:

T300 is too large a proportion of your stack

A limp will help him if he has overcards and doesn't really help you most of the time.

Folding is probably out of the question unless you have seen he is a *really* tight player.

So that just leaves the push.

Tim

syka16 12-30-2004 07:49 PM

Re: insights on this play??
 
Don't call. Push most often or fold depending on your read. Push if there's a good chance his raise represents AJ or TT and lower or if he might fold. Some solid players miniraise AK because they don't want to invest too much into the hand until they hit the flop and will fold to a push.

texasrattlers 12-31-2004 05:39 AM

Re: insights on this play??
 
Correct play. JJ is auto-push as short stack.

flytrap 12-31-2004 05:57 AM

Re: insights on this play??
 
Raising your whole stack is a good play for the reasons already mentioned, plus the fact that by pushing you scare the players behind you from calling. You want it heads up with JJ if you're playing for your whole stack.

ColdestCall 12-31-2004 11:58 AM

Re: insights on this play??
 
The push is definitely right - you dont have enough chips to wait around for a hand better than JJ to get your chips in.


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