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Sabrazack 06-16-2005 05:08 AM

Folding an overpair?
 
I hate having overpairs, i really do. When i fold them i feel bad because i know at this level people do all kinds of wierd crap. But when i call with them im always beat by a set. Should i call or fold this?

#Game No : 2214904482
***** Hand History for Game 2214904482 *****
NL Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:13139225 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Thursday, June 16, 05:01:23 EDT 2005
Table Table 35064 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: AMF888 ( $935 )
Seat 2: LucaJ ( $1655 )
Seat 3: CRONICWA509 ( $665 )
Seat 4: nagoy ( $835 )
Seat 5: jayjay200000 ( $1465 )
Seat 6: Wonkyone ( $760 )
Seat 9: HERO ( $785 )
Seat 10: simp302002 ( $900 )
Trny:13139225 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Th Ts ]
jayjay200000 calls [15].
Wonkyone calls [15].
HERO calls [15].
simp302002 calls [15].
AMF888 calls [15].
LucaJ folds.
CRONICWA509 calls [5].
nagoy checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5d, 4c, 7d ]
CRONICWA509 checks.
nagoy checks.
jayjay200000 checks.
Wonkyone checks.
HERO bets [100].
simp302002 raises [200].
AMF888 folds.
CRONICWA509 folds.
nagoy folds.
jayjay200000 folds.
Wonkyone folds.
HERO calls [100].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9s ]
HERO checks.
simp302002 is all-In [685]
HERO ??

Hood 06-16-2005 07:52 AM

Re: Folding an overpair?
 
I think your problem here is the call on the flop that has led to the tricky decision on the turn. Either you're beat to a made hand and you should fold, or you're against a draw and should re-raise aggressively. Calling (and then checking on the turn) is asking to get raised, putting you in a tight spot. So what could this guy have?

You're beaten against 68 or 36, a higher PP or a set. You've pretty dead in the water here if that's the case. You're also an underdog to something like Ad6d.

Alternatively you could be up against a draw - a lone 6, two diamonds perhaps even something like two overcards with a 3-flush. If this is the case you need to play aggressively here. There's about 400 in the pot, and your stack is about 600, so the aggressive move is to re-raise all-in.

So is it fold or push on the flop? Assuming no reads, I think I would fold, though I'm not too confident that's the correct answer. Perhaps someone more experienced can take over here. I'm more confident that calling here is wrong.

- Hood (who's a little rusty at both SNGs and reply to HH posts)

Edit: Another possible move is to call here and then push on the turn if scare card (say a diamond or a 6) doesn't come. Though you have to be willing to check/fold if this happens.

Basically what I'm saying is perhaps a call on the flop isn't as bad, but you need to have a plan on how you're going to act on the turn. You've let your opponent take control of the hand, which has led to your tricky turn problem here.


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