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AZK 11-05-2005 06:24 PM

$650 Stars 1st hand....
 
UTG minraises, 2 callers, MP makes it 300, 1 caller afterwards. You are in the SB with JJ. Action? This is the first hand, you recognize zero people at your table. 2.5k stacks.

11-05-2005 06:25 PM

Re: $650 Stars 1st hand....
 
What are the blind sizes?

If they are 10/20, I fold this.

Toddy 11-05-2005 06:26 PM

Re: $650 Stars 1st hand....
 
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UTG minraises, 2 callers, MP makes it 300, 1 caller afterwards. You are in the SB with JJ. Action? This is the first hand, you recognize zero people at your table. 2.5k stacks.

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This is my worst nightmare.. $650 alot of money to go out immediately. I wouldn't call. I think its a push or a fold. It would be awful to call and see an overcard come out. I think I'd push here. Tough though

Toddy 11-05-2005 06:28 PM

Re: $650 Stars 1st hand....
 
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UTG minraises, 2 callers, MP makes it 300, 1 caller afterwards. You are in the SB with JJ. Action? This is the first hand, you recognize zero people at your table. 2.5k stacks.

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The more I think about it I think Id' wait for a better spot. Too many people are interested in this. If you push you'll get called and bet 55/45 at best.

AtlBrvs4Life 11-05-2005 06:30 PM

Re: $650 Stars 1st hand....
 
I don't think the buy-in being large should effect your play, except when judging the caliber of players. I would definitely fold here. If undercards flop to your JJ, what do you plan to do then? You could get yourself in a lot of trouble unless you hit a J. Also, you never know if UTG is going to reraise. For me, not worth the risk with blinds so small.

11-05-2005 06:38 PM

Re: $650 Stars 1st hand....
 
I fold [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]. It's too likely that UTG will raise here to call, and the pot odds + implied odds aren't wonderful anyway. Push seems to only get you called by QQ+,AK, so seems stupid.

Sorry to hijack: How do we play AK here?

AZK 11-05-2005 06:38 PM

Re: $650 Stars 1st hand....
 
The $650 is meaningless. The buyin doesn't affect your decision.

The UTG minraise is a donk play, it's not the nuts, this was the last thing on my mind.

I opted for the gamble early or go home method. I called, knowing I would fold if an A or K hit, and check-raise all in if it didn't. It came low, I check-raised all in, got insta-called by Aces, and was out by 5:02 PM. 2nd to last knock out. A new personal best.

Edit: Does it make any sense that I would not have played this hand this way if it were say the sunday 500k?

ClaytonN 11-05-2005 06:39 PM

Re: $650 Stars 1st hand....
 
I can't bring myself to gamble with queens here, let alone jacks.

benneh 11-05-2005 06:41 PM

Re: $650 Stars 1st hand....
 
bad play. what would your action be if you had tens? would you still think your overpair was good if the flop came 8 high?

11-05-2005 06:45 PM

Re: $650 Stars 1st hand....
 
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The UTG minraise is a donk play, it's not the nuts, this was the last thing on my mind.


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I'm sure you know that an UTG minraise often means AA. Granted, TJs and the like are also in his range, but QQ+ is very likely to be out after an UTG miniraise and a reraise.

Granted, I don't play your stakes, but I think the higher stakes just make it more likely that the miniraiser is aware enough of his position to not do this JTs.

Given that MP often thinks this too and stll reraises makes his range pretty tight. I think one of them has a higher PP a good % of the time.


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