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bad beetz

07-04-2004, 03:19 AM

I just jumped into 1/2 no limit. I deposited $500 and got tired of getting called in .25/50

I jump up and lose the roll in three hands. Did I play these terribly? Could I have escaped. Help.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (9 handed)

Hero ($$198)
BB ($$175.35)
UTG ($$186)
UTG+1 ($$144)
MP1 ($$102.25)
MP2 ($$141.80)
MP3 ($$135.05)
CO ($$200)
Button ($$30.15)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif. CO posts a blind of $2.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls $2, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO (poster) checks, Button folds, Hero raises to $10, BB folds, MP1 calls $8, CO folds.

Flop: ($25) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $22.8, MP1 calls $22.80.

Turn: ($70.60) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $165.2 (All-In), MP1 calls $69.45 (All-In).

River: ($305.25) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $305.25
Main Pot: $209.50, between Hero and MP1. > Pot won by MP1 ($209.50).
Pot 2: $95.75, returned to Hero.

Results in white below: 
Hero shows As Qh (one pair, aces).
MP1 shows Kh Th (flush, ace high).
Outcome: MP1 wins $209.50. Hero wins $95.75. 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (9 handed)

Hero ($$95.75)
MP3 ($$172.35)
CO ($$206.55)
Button ($$141)
SB ($$203.50)
BB ($$139.80)
UTG ($$133.05)
UTG+1 ($$198)
MP1 ($$33.15)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, Hero raises to $6, MP3 calls $6, CO raises to $22, Button calls $22, SB folds, BB folds, Hero raises to $95.75, MP3 calls $89.75, CO folds, Button folds.

Flop: ($238.50) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)

Turn: ($238.50) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)

River: ($238.50) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)

Final Pot: $238.50
Main Pot: $238.50, between Hero and MP3. > Pot won by MP3 ($238.50).

Results in white below: 
Hero shows Js Jc (full house, fours full of jacks).
MP3 shows Kc Kd (full house, fours full of kings).
Outcome: MP3 wins $238.50. 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (8 handed)

MP1 ($$260.25)
MP2 ($$188.80)
CO ($$237.85)
Button ($$197)
Hero ($$261.50)
BB ($$204.35)
UTG ($$121.65)
UTG+1 ($$80)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. UTG+1 posts a blind of $2.
UTG raises to $8, UTG+1 (poster) folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button folds, Hero raises to $26, BB folds, UTG raises to $62, Hero calls $36.

Flop: ($128) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $199.5 (All-In), UTG calls $59.65 (All-In).

Turn: ($387.15) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($387.15) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $387.15
Main Pot: $247.30, between Hero and UTG. > Pot won by UTG ($247.30).
Pot 2: $139.85, returned to Hero.

Results in white below: 
UTG shows Ad Ac (full house, aces full of fours).
Hero shows Jh Jd (two pair, jacks and fours).
Outcome: UTG wins $247.30. Hero wins $139.85.

all luck no skill

07-04-2004, 03:35 AM

Hi bad beetz,

I think putting your whole bankroll in to a game with 3 buyins is a recipe for disaster. You need at a bare minimum 10 buyins.

As far as the hands go;

Hand #1: You massively, massively over bet this hand. The only thing that calls you is something that has you beat. Hate to say it, but horribly played.

Hand #2: I'd fold this preflop the majority of the time. I would never push in this spot.

Hand #3: More of the same overbetting. Why are you pushing on an ace high flop?

Overall you played all three hands very badly. I think you should get back to basics and reevaluate your entire game.

bad beetz

07-04-2004, 04:05 AM

yah. I suck, I just started playing no limit online a few days ago and I bet too much.

It's that damned Brunson book.

MrBlini

07-04-2004, 04:14 AM

I disagree on hand 1. It is fine.

I agree on hands 2 and 3. These are preflop laydowns.

NotAClue

07-04-2004, 04:31 AM

Not sure if anyone has noticed that the original poster is an Old Hand with over 1100 posts. Somehow I don't think someone who's posted here 1100 times is going to call an UTG re-re-raise preflop and then push on an A high flop with JJ. Or for that matter, make any of those plays.

And on a side note, if you're looking for a way to burn $500 bucks for reasons other than chucks, how bout sending it this way. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

umdpoker

07-05-2004, 01:21 AM

why the hell did you push preflop after getting RE-RAISED preflop? maybe i am weak-tight, but that seems like bankroll suicide to me.

umdpoker

07-05-2004, 01:32 AM

crap, just realized i didn't include that i was referring to your jj pushes preflop.

fsuplayer

07-05-2004, 02:06 AM

Hand 1 sucks, the result, not the play, although i dont really understand the huge turn overbet.
The other two are awful and have been explained enough by others.

fsuplayer

Leo Bello

07-05-2004, 07:07 AM

Just for the note, I feel bad for you.
But it is really tilt situation. U had reasonable pre-flop hands and didn´t read the game instead just bet your guts in uncoordinateds boards.
The first game I would maybe have played like you. Second and third are two bad plays since beggining.

Daann

07-05-2004, 07:12 AM

I'm just going to add that in Hand 3, you should have just called so that you could flop a set/play a small pot with an overpair, fold to any real resistance. JJ is not a reraising hand against standard opposition in NL.

jen

07-05-2004, 05:26 PM

Back to NL, BB? I agree with the posts that I read. #1, no need to overbet the turn, #2 fold preflop, #3 call the original raise preflop -- then don't put any more $$$ in the pot with that flop.

You probably should play more microlimits before moving up.

rdale

07-06-2004, 05:17 AM

Reread that damb Brunson book. The section on how to play QQ, even though it reads like the instructions to the Holy Hand Grenade, is ripe with caution.

My opinion on the Jacks all in preflop, are against a maniac only, let the cards sort it out against those guys, because I'm likely way ahead of K9 or whatever cheese they hold.

BradleyT

07-06-2004, 07:50 AM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (9 handed)

Hero ($$95.75)
MP3 ($$172.35)
CO ($$206.55)
Button ($$141)
SB ($$203.50)
BB ($$139.80)
UTG ($$133.05)
UTG+1 ($$198)
MP1 ($$33.15)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, Hero raises to $6, MP3 calls $6, CO raises to $22, Button calls $22, SB folds, BB folds, Hero raises to $95.75, MP3 calls $89.75, CO folds, Button folds.

Flop: ($238.50) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)

Turn: ($238.50) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)

River: ($238.50) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)

Final Pot: $238.50
Main Pot: $238.50, between Hero and MP3. > Pot won by MP3 ($238.50).

Results in white below: 
Hero shows Js Jc (full house, fours full of jacks).
MP3 shows Kc Kd (full house, fours full of kings).
Outcome: MP3 wins $238.50. 

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Look at how similar this hand is to my hand last night on Empire. Spooky stuff!

http://www.pokerhand.org/index.php?page=view&hand=1848

Michael Davis

07-06-2004, 07:57 AM

The huge turn overbet is a big problem. There's simply no chance you get called by a hand you're beating, and you do not need to bet nearly that much to give your opponent incorrect odds to call if you have the best hand.

-Michael

07-06-2004, 08:04 AM

I think all three hands were not played well. Re-raises preflop is a trouble hand. Most players re-raise with AA/KK and it was true in this spot.

As for the first hand, You only have a pair of AA's. AK is still might be out there and flush. Way over played

Ulysses

07-06-2004, 09:52 AM

El Diablo likes the fact that four posters have commented on your "huge turn overbet" in hand one even though your opponent's remaining stack was less than the size of the pot. Olé!!!

turnipmonster

07-06-2004, 10:03 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Reread that damb Brunson book. The section on how to play QQ, even though it reads like the instructions to the Holy Hand Grenade, is ripe with caution.

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excellent point. reread the section until you realize how cautious doyle's play really is.

--turnipmonster

Garbonzo

07-06-2004, 10:18 AM

[ QUOTE ]
El Diablo likes the fact that four posters have commented on your "huge turn overbet" in hand one even though your opponent's remaining stack was less than the size of the pot. Olé!!!

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Garbonzo likes reading El Diablo's posts. Especially the one about NOT buying a Pontiac. These make Garbonzo laugh to himself.

schwza

07-06-2004, 11:24 AM

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Hand 1 sucks, the result, not the play, although i dont really understand the huge turn overbet.
The other two are awful and have been explained enough by others.

fsuplayer

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the turn bet was only pot-sized as hero had villain covered.

(edit: should have read whole thread before making snooty comment)

Michael Davis

07-06-2004, 11:24 AM

El Diablo has good eyes. My bad.

-Michael

RollaJ

07-06-2004, 02:37 PM

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excellent point. reread the section until you realize how cautious doyle's play really is.

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Note also that he equates JJ with 33 when facing a big raise preflop

Hand 1 I may have very well just gone all in on the flop
Hands 2 and 3 were played poorly

Jax are worth littlt in NL when raised pf, even if you flop an over pair .....be vewwy vewwy careful

DcifrThs

07-06-2004, 03:29 PM

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yah. I suck, I just started playing no limit online a few days ago and I bet too much.

It's that damned Brunson book.

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NOWHERE in that brunson book does it even REMOTELY INTIMATE to play hands the way you did...seirously...reread the book.

-Barron

RollaJ

07-06-2004, 03:30 PM

Are you sure I havent seen you at the 2-4 and 5-10 NL on UB?