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Deorum
07-01-2004, 01:08 PM
This is a hand that has been bothering me for the past few
days, because I made a mistake and it makes me wonder how
often I am making this kind of mistake and how much it is
costing me. This is a fairly soft 9-18 game. It is not a
terribly aggressive game, but not too passive either. There
are a number of loose players. Anyway, here's the hand:

All fold around to CO who opens for a raise. SB calls the
raise, and I look down at 2 /images/graemlins/spade.gif2 /images/graemlins/club.gif from the BB and
call. CO could have a range of hands, including any two
face cards, any pair, or any suited ace.

The flop comes 8 /images/graemlins/spade.gif6 /images/graemlins/spade.gif2 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB checks, I
check, CO bets, SB calls, I raise. At this point in time,
CO hesitates for a second before calling. Normally I am
pretty good at interpreting this type of pause, but this
time I can't quite figure out if it means he missed the flop
and is irritated about calling, or if he wants to three bet.
He may be doing this for show, hoping to scare me so that I
check to his overcards on the turn so that he can get a free
card. However, although this player rarely will slowplay
a good, yet vulnerable, hand on the flop such as top pair or
an overpair, I start to wonder if he has an overpair and
decided to wait until the turn to raise. Scenario two is
far less likely than the overcards scenario, though.
Anyway, CO calls, and SB calls.

The turn comes Q /images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB checks, and thinking that this
card could easily have hit one of CO's overcards, I check.
Sure enough, CO bets, SB calls, I raise, CO calls, and SB
calls. The river comes A /images/graemlins/heart.gif, SB checks, I bet, CO
perks up and raises, SB folds, and I take a few seconds to
think. The only hand CO could have here that would beat
mine would be AA, since he certainly would have reraised the
turn with QQ. Of course, his play seems to scream AQ, and I
certainly believe that that is his most likely holding, but
my mind drifts back to that hesitation on the flop that I
thought might mean AA. I finally decide to call, feeling
that I should be raising. Sure enough, he turns up AQ. As
he does this, the player sitting on my left, the best player
at the table and regular at the cardroom, says "that's no
good" before I turn up my set and take down the pot. I look
over at him, and he points at the guy who had AQ and
jokingly says "you can't read", and then points at me and
says "and you can't read." I asked him if he did not think
it was possible that the CO had AA, and simply called the
flop hoping to raise the turn. He said absolutely not,
because that player would never slowplay an overpair on the
flop. I had played with the CO a couple times before, and
I knew he did not slowplay hands like that often, but was
not absolutely sure he was not capable of doing it. Oh
well, I could have made more money that hand. It took a
while to get to it, but here's my question for this hand:
Was this an automatic three bet on the river for most
people? How bad was the call? I like to talk with people
about hand analysis, and am always looking to improve my
game. I am very greatful when people point out flaws in my
play, as it helps me to improve. But the more I think about
this hand, the more I feel that I should have unquestionably
three bet the river. And the more I think about how I
missed an obvious play like this, it makes me wonder how
often I am missing bets in similar situations. Do you
read this post and think I really need to work a lot on my
reading skills?

steveyz
07-01-2004, 01:36 PM
Yes, I would have 3-bet this every time and just call if it's 4-bet. I would also have considered betting out on the turn hoping to be able to re-raise.

Philuva
07-01-2004, 01:37 PM
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The turn comes Q . SB checks, and thinking that this card could easily have hit one of CO's overcards, I check. Sure enough, CO bets, SB calls, I raise, CO calls, and SB calls.

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You should have led the turn.

If he has high cards: If the Q missed him, he is probably checking behind with just big cards if you check to him, or folding if you lead into him. If the Q hit him, he is probably raising if you lead into him and then you get to 3 bet him. With the addition of the 3rd player, I like leading into him on the turn best.

If he has a big pair. He was probably waiting until the turn to raise you, so I again like leading into him so you can 3 bet.

The turn CR should be used when it is most likey your opponent is just calling your bet if bet into, but will bet and call a raise if checked too (yielding 2 bets instead of one).

The turn CR should not be used when your opponent is either checking behind OR he is betting and just calling a CR when he would have raised your lead bet and you get to make it 3 bets (yielding 3 bets instead of 2 when he has a hand and maybe 1 bet instead of having it get checked through if he happens to continue with his draw).


They way you played it, you have an easy 3 bet on the river IMO.