Deorum
07-01-2004, 01:08 PM
This is a hand that has been bothering me for the past few
days, because I made a mistake and it makes me wonder how
often I am making this kind of mistake and how much it is
costing me. This is a fairly soft 9-18 game. It is not a
terribly aggressive game, but not too passive either. There
are a number of loose players. Anyway, here's the hand:
All fold around to CO who opens for a raise. SB calls the
raise, and I look down at 2 /images/graemlins/spade.gif2 /images/graemlins/club.gif from the BB and
call. CO could have a range of hands, including any two
face cards, any pair, or any suited ace.
The flop comes 8 /images/graemlins/spade.gif6 /images/graemlins/spade.gif2 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB checks, I
check, CO bets, SB calls, I raise. At this point in time,
CO hesitates for a second before calling. Normally I am
pretty good at interpreting this type of pause, but this
time I can't quite figure out if it means he missed the flop
and is irritated about calling, or if he wants to three bet.
He may be doing this for show, hoping to scare me so that I
check to his overcards on the turn so that he can get a free
card. However, although this player rarely will slowplay
a good, yet vulnerable, hand on the flop such as top pair or
an overpair, I start to wonder if he has an overpair and
decided to wait until the turn to raise. Scenario two is
far less likely than the overcards scenario, though.
Anyway, CO calls, and SB calls.
The turn comes Q /images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB checks, and thinking that this
card could easily have hit one of CO's overcards, I check.
Sure enough, CO bets, SB calls, I raise, CO calls, and SB
calls. The river comes A /images/graemlins/heart.gif, SB checks, I bet, CO
perks up and raises, SB folds, and I take a few seconds to
think. The only hand CO could have here that would beat
mine would be AA, since he certainly would have reraised the
turn with QQ. Of course, his play seems to scream AQ, and I
certainly believe that that is his most likely holding, but
my mind drifts back to that hesitation on the flop that I
thought might mean AA. I finally decide to call, feeling
that I should be raising. Sure enough, he turns up AQ. As
he does this, the player sitting on my left, the best player
at the table and regular at the cardroom, says "that's no
good" before I turn up my set and take down the pot. I look
over at him, and he points at the guy who had AQ and
jokingly says "you can't read", and then points at me and
says "and you can't read." I asked him if he did not think
it was possible that the CO had AA, and simply called the
flop hoping to raise the turn. He said absolutely not,
because that player would never slowplay an overpair on the
flop. I had played with the CO a couple times before, and
I knew he did not slowplay hands like that often, but was
not absolutely sure he was not capable of doing it. Oh
well, I could have made more money that hand. It took a
while to get to it, but here's my question for this hand:
Was this an automatic three bet on the river for most
people? How bad was the call? I like to talk with people
about hand analysis, and am always looking to improve my
game. I am very greatful when people point out flaws in my
play, as it helps me to improve. But the more I think about
this hand, the more I feel that I should have unquestionably
three bet the river. And the more I think about how I
missed an obvious play like this, it makes me wonder how
often I am missing bets in similar situations. Do you
read this post and think I really need to work a lot on my
reading skills?
days, because I made a mistake and it makes me wonder how
often I am making this kind of mistake and how much it is
costing me. This is a fairly soft 9-18 game. It is not a
terribly aggressive game, but not too passive either. There
are a number of loose players. Anyway, here's the hand:
All fold around to CO who opens for a raise. SB calls the
raise, and I look down at 2 /images/graemlins/spade.gif2 /images/graemlins/club.gif from the BB and
call. CO could have a range of hands, including any two
face cards, any pair, or any suited ace.
The flop comes 8 /images/graemlins/spade.gif6 /images/graemlins/spade.gif2 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB checks, I
check, CO bets, SB calls, I raise. At this point in time,
CO hesitates for a second before calling. Normally I am
pretty good at interpreting this type of pause, but this
time I can't quite figure out if it means he missed the flop
and is irritated about calling, or if he wants to three bet.
He may be doing this for show, hoping to scare me so that I
check to his overcards on the turn so that he can get a free
card. However, although this player rarely will slowplay
a good, yet vulnerable, hand on the flop such as top pair or
an overpair, I start to wonder if he has an overpair and
decided to wait until the turn to raise. Scenario two is
far less likely than the overcards scenario, though.
Anyway, CO calls, and SB calls.
The turn comes Q /images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB checks, and thinking that this
card could easily have hit one of CO's overcards, I check.
Sure enough, CO bets, SB calls, I raise, CO calls, and SB
calls. The river comes A /images/graemlins/heart.gif, SB checks, I bet, CO
perks up and raises, SB folds, and I take a few seconds to
think. The only hand CO could have here that would beat
mine would be AA, since he certainly would have reraised the
turn with QQ. Of course, his play seems to scream AQ, and I
certainly believe that that is his most likely holding, but
my mind drifts back to that hesitation on the flop that I
thought might mean AA. I finally decide to call, feeling
that I should be raising. Sure enough, he turns up AQ. As
he does this, the player sitting on my left, the best player
at the table and regular at the cardroom, says "that's no
good" before I turn up my set and take down the pot. I look
over at him, and he points at the guy who had AQ and
jokingly says "you can't read", and then points at me and
says "and you can't read." I asked him if he did not think
it was possible that the CO had AA, and simply called the
flop hoping to raise the turn. He said absolutely not,
because that player would never slowplay an overpair on the
flop. I had played with the CO a couple times before, and
I knew he did not slowplay hands like that often, but was
not absolutely sure he was not capable of doing it. Oh
well, I could have made more money that hand. It took a
while to get to it, but here's my question for this hand:
Was this an automatic three bet on the river for most
people? How bad was the call? I like to talk with people
about hand analysis, and am always looking to improve my
game. I am very greatful when people point out flaws in my
play, as it helps me to improve. But the more I think about
this hand, the more I feel that I should have unquestionably
three bet the river. And the more I think about how I
missed an obvious play like this, it makes me wonder how
often I am missing bets in similar situations. Do you
read this post and think I really need to work a lot on my
reading skills?