FUK PUKE SUCKING POLITICS-WE NEED A SPLIT

[Zeno]

A second debate is ongoing in the PL/NL Forum about the need for a split. So I think it is about time one is started here.

We need a 'pure' politics forum and then the 'other topics' forum can be just that - cultural and social stuff, Beer, Boobs, Books, Fishing, Movies, All the sports, why the US should bomb France, etc and etc. Bleed over will obviously occur and is expected so don't use that as an excuse for a non-split.

Especially with the upcoming election and all the hoopla and bellyaching that will manifest itself, I think the 2+2 gang should institute some form of split. Let's give the 'I'm out to save the Fu*king world yahoos' their own forum. They deserve one.


Other reasons loom on the horizon but I'll let others ameliorate. That’s my Rant for today.

I’ll check in later in the day to add some more vituperation.

PEACE KILLS.

-Zeno

[El Barto]

This is a great idea. With a new Politics forum, some of the off topic stuff from NV&G will migrate to Other Topics as well, since people won't be scared away by some of the crazies posting here. /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

We could have 3 well focused forums, instead of 2 mishmashes.

[ThaSaltCracka]

I agree

[elwoodblues]

In my mind "other topics" is enough. Two + Two was been kind enough to offer a sounding board for non-poker content. Let's not be greedy and ask for more than one.

~elwood
probably considered an "out to save the world fu*king yahoo."

[tyfromm]

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In my mind "other topics" is enough. Two + Two was been kind enough to offer a sounding board for non-poker content. Let's not be greedy and ask for more than one.



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(Other than initial set up) Does adding a forum add to the cost of running this place?

[nicky g]

I'm usre it's a pain in teh ass to get going.

IMO if you;re going to make a separate politics forum you need to make a separate sports one too, simply because the other one would get totally dominated by sports and people not really interested in sports wouldn't check it.

That said I I think things are fine as they are and I don't really understand why people can't simply ignore posts they're not interested in, or why they'd be "scared" by the "crazies"; I mean, so far as I know there's been no violence as yet, and while many threads degenerate into something else us politicos aren't going to call you a facist for posting your favourite ice cream flavour.

[tyfromm]

With all the traffic on 2+2, they are making money on their banner ads. Improving the place will make it better.

[elwoodblues]

Good question...I really don't know. I think there's also the affect of watering down the site from its core competency - Poker. They threw a bone out with the Other Topics, recognizing that without it other Forums would become a zoo (no pun intended).

[MMMMMM]

Six months or a year ago I wouldn't have agreed, but I do now.

It seems well over half of all the material on the OT Forum is politics. Politics truly dominates the discussion board, much more so than would Sports dominate a split OT forum, in my opinion.

Also, Politics is a highly argumentative topic and thus imparts a hard flavor to the board as a whole. A board which discusses things like Sports and Arts and Science News, etc. would be a very nice change from the acidic OT Forum.

As Zeno says, just because there will be some inevitable spillover is not a good enough reason not to split. The focus and flavor of political discussions are really quite different than the focus and flavor of discussions about things like Sports, Arts, Literature and Science News. Not to mention just pleasant bemused ramblings at unusual occurrences we may have witnessed, or stories about grandfathers, or whatever. All that really is a world apart from the acerbic political discussions that so dominate the OT board presently, and it would be nice to be able to have a forum to discuss such things, while leaving the arguments about Israelis/Palestinians, Leftism, Fascism, Iraq, Michael Moore, Neocons, etc. on their own board where they belong.

[CCass]

I am in favor of a split.

[cardcounter0]

I thought George W. was a Uniter not a Divider!
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[Zeno]

I do not know if adding an additional forum is that burdensome to 2+2 in the practical server/website sense or the 'this is mainly a poker site sense'; either way many people post here and the place is growing by leaps and bounds. The site has more than 11,000 registered users now. Growth usually means change and responses to users needs or wants.

Given that 'Other topics' is a side bar does not mean that the side bar cannot have its own sub headings or be split. And forums gain reputations and I submit that the ‘Other Topics Forum’ is seen by many as the politics forum by default.

You can always say don’t click or read the political posts etc. True. But at some point it is reasonable to split topics up otherwise we would just have a ‘hold em forum’ a omaha forum, a seven-card stud forum etc.

Think about 2+2 as a casino that builds and grows by attracting more customers. It has a solid core base: Poker, but it can and will do better and attract more people by being responsive to new ideas, requests, etc, that may improve the overall quality of the site, thus expanding its base further and filling more of the needs of the vast amount of posters. Some ‘forums’ will not make as much ‘money’ but are useful as pleasant diversions or points of attraction that benefit the place as a whole.

And I do think some people are put off by the inordinate amount of political postings and the venomous tone of many of them, the length of the threads, etc. Usually political debate is a more quarrelsome animal than other debates or turns into more strung out posts and themes. A ‘Politics Forum’ (which would entail Government, foreign affairs, wars etc) would be well used and a wonderful place for venting and vigorous debate - leaving the Other Topics Forum for a more relaxing, fun, and easy going atmosphere.

-Zeno

[MMMMMM]

I agree with these sentiments.

One quirky thing might be this, though: if the forum is split into only two, it would seem to give an unusual emphasis to the "Politics" sub-heading, especially for first-time visitors. So it might make sense to subdivide the OT forum similarly to the way the Hold'em forum is subdivided. Possible sub-headings, since the list should be short, manageable and fitted neatly into the left-hand column, might be something like this:


OTHER TOPICS

*Sports

*Politics

*Everything Else

[ChristinaB]

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OTHER TOPICS

*Sports

*Politics

*Everything Else

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We could move The Stock Market Forum here.

[jokerswild]

I knew that you couldn't stay off this forum for more than a week. At least when you lose arguments, you should go to a new forum yourself rather than the fascist technique used by you and your hero. I know that you'd love to murder anyone that doesn't agree with you, but fortunately we still live in the USA. If you don't like the Bill of Rights and the Constitution, get your hero to change it.

[Zeno]

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We could move The Stock Market Forum here.


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Great Idea.


Other Topics

*Sports
*Stock Market
*All things Political
*Everything Else


-Zeno

[ThaSaltCracka]

joker, you have to be the most ignorant person on here, seriously man.

[MMMMMM]

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[ACPlayer]

Given that Gamblor, B-Man, wake UP CALL, and MMMMMM have decided to throw in the towel, realized the errors in the thinking and joined the amoral majority in being on the right side of the debates, the amount of political vituperation has fallen to where the political dialogue recently is almost that of civil discourse. So, is this the right time for the split?

I do think though that for some of us the victory may indeed be Pyrrhic, as we do miss the ridiculous arguments that have been proffered in the past.

PS None of the above is a personal attack.