funny stuff by money maker

[nykenny]

this is really funny, LOL

http://www.chrismoneymaker.com/holdemb4flop.html

[cold_cash]

Wow. The post flop advice was interesting also.

[HajiShirazu]

What is really funny is that I think somebody who just played that really crap basic strategy could beat a lot of games for at least some amount.
But yes, good stuff.

[ThePopinjay]

is that really official? i have a hard time believing he would want such a fruity picture on every page.

[Joe826]

fruity pictures indeed. not that funny, though.

[cold_cash]

From the "On the River" section:

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If you have three of a kind or better, then raise as much as possible.

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I thought this was funny.

[Joe826]

Seems like pretty good advice for a first timer. If this advice was directed at players who have been playing for a while, then it would be absurd, but trying to explain to a player who's never played before the criteria for betting/raising trips on the river is equally absurd.

[MicroBob]

if the board is 999AK and i have QJ then i am supposed to bet as much as possible.

[MicroBob]

all fruityness aside....compare the pic on the website there with the pic in the pokerstars banner ad.

he has really lost some weight.

wonder if he splurged for some kind of surgery or if he hit an inspiration to work-out.

[Joe826]

obviously /images/graemlins/ooo.gif

[Tosh]

Wow thats improved my game no end!

[ThePopinjay]

surgery is much more dramatic. my guess is since he's no longer playing online poker, he's no longer spending oodles of time on his ass, thus = less weight.

[sfer]

Does an advice offering website, winning the WSOP, or some combination thereof qualify him as a Noted Poker Authority?

[Bob T.]

If you followed this advice, I bet you could beat live 2-4 and 3-6 games.

I remember when Canterbury Park opened, and I was playing 2-4, there was a young girl playing at a table with me, and she rarely played a hand, and always played very conservatively postflop, but she had about $300 in front of her. I asked her where she played before, and she told me that this was the first time she had ever played. I then asked her where she had learned, and she said, 'in a book my dad gave me. He made me memorize which hands I should play.' She apparently had bought in for $40 and run up a nice win, by just playing tight.

Now that was probably at the time that CP players were at there absolute worst, and Im sure that it isn't always that easy, but her strategy couldn't have been that different than what Moneymaker is advocating here.

Good luck,
play well,

Bob T.

[Thomsen]

I think it is good advice all the way.

[Saborion]

Was she pretty?

[blackaces13]

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If you have three of a kind or better, then raise as much as possible.


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I thought this was funny.

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I'm picturing a new player flopping a set and then a 3rd flush card hitting the river which is heads up by this point. Following Moneymaker's advice the newbie proceeds to get their entire stack into the middle after the dealer informs them that HU there is unlimited raising. That's funny.

[Haupt_234]

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...the river card has come down, you have the nuts and have just one opponent left. If he bets, you raise. If he checks, you bet.

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Ahhh, I think moneymaker has found the leak in my game!

Haupt_234

[nykenny]

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Now that was probably at the time that CP players were at there absolute worst, and Im sure that it isn't always that easy, but her strategy couldn't have been that different than what Moneymaker is advocating here.


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$maker's advice is totally too weak tight and simple. more holes than you can patch with a sewing machine... i see a lot of "always", "no matter how many", etc.

i know he meant this for beginners, but it's still very disturbing. also, not much (of not at all) mentioning of the importance of position , which is definitely on the top of hold'em priority list.

Kenny

[DMBFan23]

however, if you have the nuts and there are more than two people left in the pot, check and fold.

[nykenny]

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however, if you have the nuts and there are more than two people left in the pot, check and fold.

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MoneyMaker, you want to play headsup ?? bless him and give him trip on river all the time against my complete hand ...

[Songwind]

This looks like pretty standard stuff for a "quick and dirty guide for the absolute n00b". The preflop guide sounds just like every other one I've read, just more clearly enumerated than the "blackjack" strategy.

If you want something more complicated, you're going to have to study, or find a tutor, or a really well-loved free website.

[BigBaitsim (milo)]

Like I said, N/M.

[DCIAce]

he says "Important note: this guide is intended for cash games (not tournaments) and limit Hold'em (not no-limit or pot limit Hold'em). And please don't try to use this strategy in a game higher than about $1/$2."

Considering you passed that to get to the page you linked, I'll assume you're another idiot trying to bash MM for no apparent reason. This would probably work fine for 1/2 games.

Sheesh.. I don't even like MM, but some of the "hey, he did well at something, let's do our best to discredit him" is pretty sad.

[thespecialist]

I really don't understand why you guys are critizing MM here. He is offering free advice to beginning players; and pretty decent advice for these new players too. Remember when you first played the game? I would have loved free advice like this.

If you guys know so much about poker and believe you are good enough to beat MM; then I believe you were smart enough to realize that this advice is for beginners (and it is fine advice for starters). However, it seems you guys didn't catch on to the fact that the advice is clearly for new players. Thus in retrospect- you guys whom critize MM are contradicting your own criticism; by not realizing that the advice is geared towards beginners. Therefore, through your criticism you've proved that your rationalizing of poker play is not up to par ; ) Since you were not able to distingiush the information that MM published was not for the advanced player (although, from what I've seen it would be good for some of you guys to take this advice [maybe it will turn you losers into winning players *maybe*] ) haha

[cold_cash]

I wasn't criticizing him, I just got a kick out if it, that's all. I've got nothing against him.

I do, however, question the soundness of telling a beginning player "If you have 3 of a kind or better on the river, never stop betting" without at least going to the trouble of typing one more sentance to quantify it just a tad.

I also realize he wasn't writing a book here, and he only had a little webspace in which to stuff these things.

I read it. I laughed. Sue me.

[Chazbot2000]

I just started trying to learn poker 6 months ago. There are so many variables one could consider when playing poker, you need to simplify it if you're going to get started. What Moneymaker describes is not all that bad.

From my own experience, this "crap basic strategy" does work, up to about $2-4 online. It's very similar to what Hellmuth recommends in his book with the exception that Hellmuth would tell you if you have QQ and there's an Ace on the flop, raise anyways (also profitable at $2-4 and below).

Once I got comfortable winning a little money with a very basic formula, I had a much easier time incorporating other concepts (EV, pot odds, position, implied odds, semi-bluffing, free-carding, checkraising, etc) one at a time.

[nykenny]

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he says "Important note: this guide is intended for cash games (not tournaments) and limit Hold'em (not no-limit or pot limit Hold'em). And please don't try to use this strategy in a game higher than about $1/$2."

Considering you passed that to get to the page you linked, I'll assume you're another idiot trying to bash MM for no apparent reason. This would probably work fine for 1/2 games.

Sheesh.. I don't even like MM, but some of the "hey, he did well at something, let's do our best to discredit him" is pretty sad.

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i said repeatedly that we know this advice was designed for beginners (and with good will if i may add).

i don't dislike CM, on the countary, i think he is a nice guy.

i also do not think he won WSOP by playing bad or complete dumb luck.

i am not jealous of his winnings, cause i don't play tournament, just like i am never jealous to hear if someone wins the lotto.

i also think this strategy might work for low limit games, at least the very low limit games.

however, i do think the advice is not very solid and has holes. this has nothing to do with how much i like/dislike CM.

however, if you don't like me or my posts, you can challenge me headsup /images/graemlins/grin.gif

good luck all on your tables,

Kenny

[nykenny]

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I read it. I laughed. Sue me.


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i sue you for 5000BBs... /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[SpaceAce]

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he says "Important note: this guide is intended for cash games (not tournaments) and limit Hold'em (not no-limit or pot limit Hold'em). And please don't try to use this strategy in a game higher than about $1/$2."

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That makes all the difference in the world because you could probably crush an online $1/$2 game with the strategy on Chris's site.

SpaceAce