W Very Lucky.................

[Dr Wogga]

....maybe the luckiest president this side of the "Great Stain-maker Slick Willy." Imagine he'll be running against John Kerry /images/graemlins/grin.gif Any candidate from Massachusetts cannot be taken seriously as these village idiots (Mass residents) continue to vote in Ted Kennedy term after term after term. Imagine in this day and age, with the terror threats, the economy issues - what is the idiot state of Massachusetts worried about? Why gay marriage that's what...........LOL!!! Gay marriage.....ha,ha,ha,ha,ha............you cannot make this crap up /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Anyway, Kerry is on every side of every issue....and the public is going to have a hard time trusting him. If ever an incumbent was this vulnerable in our lifetime, it's Bush..............but, his opponent is a goofball from Massachusetts. Say no more! 4 more years I'm afraid..............LOL!!!The Dems get what they deserve

[adios]

Kerry may win the election but it won't be due to his charm, charisma, or voters believing he's got great leadership qualities /images/graemlins/smile.gif. Kerry will never get anywhere with a Republican controlled Congress if he's elected.

[B-Man]

You are right. As a Mass. resident, I am hopelessly outnumbered by liberal democrats and Kennedy worshipers (my latest pet peeve--they are naming one of the parks which will be created in the wake of the Big Dig the "Rose Kennedy Greenway"--do we really need something else named after a Kennedy?!?!?!)

The scary thing is, Ted Kennedy is the conservative Senator from Massachusetts!

[andyfox]

"Kerry will never get anywhere with a Republican controlled Congress if he's elected."

I'm not so sure about that. He's been there a long time and has friends on the other side of the aisle. Plus his reputation for being ultra-left may cause him to go the extra mile to strive for a more moderate, bi-partisan appraoch. And if he appoints a key Republican or two to the cabinet, that might bode well too.

Of course we're getting ahead of ourselves. It's only June 30.

[cardcounter0]

It doesn't matter. You could dress up a monkey in a cowboy suit and it would beat Bush.

Whooops! Maybe a monkey in a cowboy suit -vs- Bush would be a very hard and confusing choice.

[andyfox]

Think about our California senators. Since I've lived in the state, we've had an ex-actor (George Murphy), a man who regularly fell asleep on the Senate floor and walked into the most hotly debated vote of his time (on the Panama Canal) and didn't know what was begin voted on (Hayakawa), and the son of heavyweight champion Gene Tunny (the lightweight John Tunny).

And what are the odds of a state's two senators being names Diane and Barbara? Has any other state ever had two women Senators, much less at the same time?

[cardcounter0]

Your Guvs haven't exactly been NASA material either.

[B-Man]

Am I giving away my age if I say I've never heard of Murphy or Hayakawa?

[andyfox]

Murphy was a semi-famous song-and-dance man who was in over 40 movies:

http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=M001092

When he ran against (and was defeated by) Tunney, I remember there were allegations of financial improprieties involving Murphy and some company, the name of which escapes me, but Tunney didn't push it much because another bigwig with the company was Tunney's father Gene.

Hayakawa became famous for being tough on the so-called student radicals who gave him trouble while he was a university administrator in San Francisco. He was an inmcompetent senator.

http://www.us-english.org/inc/about/hayakawa.asp

[adios]

Actually Kerry has embraced some more middle of the road positions in years past but had them rebuked by his constituency in Mass. I'll try and dig up the article. Anyway Kerry won't get anywhere because the Republicans will feel obliged to get some "payback" for what they feel is unfair treatment of Bush as well as what they feel are underhanded tactics by the Democrats. As bad as that reads that's my take. Do you really think that any possible Kerry judicial nomination to the Supreme Court will sail through smoothly for instance? Do you really think that Kerry will get a lot of support for raising taxes? Do you really think that Kerry will get a lot of support for what amounts to redistributing income? Do you think that Kerry will get a lot of support for changing U.S. policy on Iraq? I don't. Just naming a few issues out of many.

[Dynasty]

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these village idiots (Mass residents) continue to vote in Ted Kennedy term after term after term.

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Perhaps the most amazing fact in recnet American politics is that Massachusetts has elected a Republican as governor for the last four elections (1990, 1994, 1998, 2002). And, it's three different Republicans (Weld in '90 and '94, Celluci in '98, and Romney in '02).

Why has this happend? It's the legacy of Michael Dukakis.

[paland]

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Your Guvs haven't exactly been NASA material either.

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How true. Look at our recall election. We had strippers, porno publishers, short actors,.. and virtually every kind of wacko you can think of. But that kind of fits our state.

[GWB]

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Your Guvs haven't exactly been NASA material either.

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How true. Look at our recall election. We had strippers, porno publishers, short actors,.. and virtually every kind of wacko you can think of. But that kind of fits our state.

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At least you guys showed the true intelligence of getting rid of Gray Davis. Well Done.

[andyfox]

All depends on how Kerry chooses to govern. The Dems have rolled over for Bush; all they've really done to treat him "badly" is some trouble on a few judicial appointments, about which, one suspects, nobody really cares. I do agree that vitually any Supreme Court appointment will be a troublesome one, no matter which party is doing the nominating. Unless, again, the choice is truly middle of the road. On raising taxes, if indeed Kerry can portray it as only on the "rich," the Republicans will have a hard time being opposed to it in the face of the deficits. People may well be sick of Iraq by next year, so a change of policy may fly better than no change. Especially if, for example, John McCain is Secretary of Defense.

[natedogg]

What kind of odds will you give on Bush vs. Kerry or whoever gets nominated?

natedogg

[craig r]

i think currently the line is GWB -140 and Kerry (they say democrat, but i think it is safe to assume it will be Kerry) +120. Of course, there is a lot of juice in that. I think no vig, it would be GWB -130, which would equate to approx 56% on bush if the linesmakers are correct. but, since a lot of people that gamble on sports are republicans that number is probably off by a little, with the "smart" money not betting on it at all. by the way, this is myself truly handicapping this event,not picking who i want to win. and if i had to bet it (and i honestly would not at this number), i think Kerry is the better bet with the 45.45% that he pulls it off.

craig

[craig r]

fwiw, you can grab kerry to win at tradesports.com at +134.

[daryn]

wow, you still think bush will lose?

i don't really support either side, and i'll probably vote for someone other than bush or kerry, but geez, i really think bush will win.

[Sloats]

I thought it couldn't get worse than the last election. I just wonder how much worse 2008 will be.

Cheney vs Hillary vs Jesse vs Nader

[Michael Davis]

Cheney is definitely going to kick the bucket by 2008.

To the US government: This was in no way meant to be a threat.

-Michael

[daryn]

i'm not sure anyone could vote cheney into office. do people like him? i get the idea that even republicans aren't crazy about him.

[Cptkernow]

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It doesn't matter. You could dress up a monkey in a cowboy suit and it would beat Bush.


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Dont you mean it would beat Al Gore.

[daryn]

it seems to me like the democratic party is so boring nowadays. the democrats of old were charismatic and full of ideas. the democrats of today remind me of mannequins dressed in suits. they are just so unelectable. gore, kerry, can anyone seriously vote for these people? i think dean was the opposite of these guys. he seemed energetic and full of ideas, but somehow couldn't win the nomination. not that he would have won the election anyway!

[GWB]

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Cheney is definitely going to kick the bucket by 2008.

To the US government: This was in no way meant to be a threat.

-Michael

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With Speaker Hastert and then Senator Stevens next in line after Cheney, we are safe should the worst happen.

As to daryn's point, Republicans like Cheney for his solid competence, but he is not the celebrity type. But then before Gore made his big run for President in 2000, he maintained a low profile as VP, same is true of my Dad during the Reagan years.

W

[craig r]

that was part of the reason nader ran last time. it was, in a sense, to bring the democratic party back to its older "ideals. (i am not saying i agree with these "ideals", just saying one of Nader's reasons for running.).

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It doesn't matter. You could dress up a monkey in a cowboy suit and it would beat Bush.


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Dont you mean it would beat Al Gore.

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No, Gore would win the popular vote and the Supreme Court would install the monkey.

NT

[nothumb]

Neo-cons love Cheney, he's a total animal for getting their laundry done. Moderate Republicans are repulsed by that whole cabal of chickenhawks and loons. At least the ones with a conscience should be.

I have had the same mentality as you, Daryn, just because Bush is so, so, so dirty and Kerry doesn't have anyone like Karl Rove on his side. However it is looking worse for Bush now than I thought possible. Still, I think we'll find Osama in mid-October and all will be well in Crawford.

Anyway, this election isn't about Iraq particularly - either President will have to stay there for quite a while, and it's already completely trashed so either one will get burned. If Kerry wins Republicans will say Iraqis are blowing themselves up because our leader threw some medals over a bridge thirty years ago, you watch. This election is really about Supreme Court nominations if you ask me, and Bush nominating anybody scares the poop out of me.

Remember, Clarence Thomas is his favorite justice.

NT

[GWB]

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This election is really about Supreme Court nominations if you ask me

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I think about .01% of the population agrees with this. I am one of the few that thinks it is a big deal. We need to get my good nominees approved by the Senate.

[daryn]

do you think osama will be found in october due to some conspiracy theory that we have him "in a closet" and will "find him" before the election? clearly that's crazy talk.

also, every time i hear someone mention the popular vote, i lose respect for that person. why even bring it up if you know that the system does not elect a president by popular vote? this is not the first time the candidate who won the popular vote lost the election!!! if you don't like it, suggest a change or badmouth the current system, but don't say that they "installed" bush.

[nothumb]

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also, every time i hear someone mention the popular vote, i lose respect for that person. why even bring it up if you know that the system does not elect a president by popular vote? this is not the first time the candidate who won the popular vote lost the election!!! if you don't like it, suggest a change or badmouth the current system, but don't say that they "installed" bush.

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I was just making a joke about the popular vote thing. I have little or no pity for Al Gore. The man is so thoroughly uninspiring and did such a poor job campaigning. He got some ludicrously bad coverage and was a victim of some dirty tactics but he should have been able to win.

However, I do think the Supreme Court overstepped their bounds in installing Bush, and it has nothing to do with the popular vote. That was a state matter in which they had no jurisdiction. The logic of their decision was quite faulty at best.

I mostly agree with all the old lefty arguments about knocking out black voters in Florida, apathy, broken democracy, but in truth I fall far to the left of those Michael Moore types. Rather than being surprised by these dirty tricks I know they have been SOP for quite some time in this country, and not just among Republicans. (Moore is a total assclown by the way and if you can't see why you have no business voting). I think capitalism is a dehumanizing, violent apparatus as it currently exists and I don't see it getting any better. I see it getting much worse.

But I know most people disagree with me there so I generally avoid sermonizing. Occasionally just dropping one-liners will get me lumped in with the partisan liberals, though, so I hope we can avoid that.

Cheers
NT