Party 2/4: I lost 11.5 BB and then got dissed!

[chesspain]

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed)

Nice, loose-passive game. The BB in this hand plays rather ABC. In a prior hand I three-bet her MP openraise (red KQ) with my black 99, raised a K-high all club flop HU, and then checked it down behind her when I didn't improve and an ace hit on the river.


Preflop: chesspain is SB with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="666666">6 folds</font>, <font color="CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="CC3333">chesspain 3-bets</font>, BB calls, Button calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
chesspain checks, <font color="CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="CC3333">chesspain 3-bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">BB bets $6.5 (All-In)</font>, <font color="CC3333">Button raises</font>, chesspain calls.

Turn: (10.12 BB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>
<font color="CC3333">chesspain bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="CC3333">chesspain 3-bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Button caps</font>, chesspain calls.

River: (18.12 BB) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>
<font color="CC3333">chesspain bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="CC3333">chesspain 3-bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Button caps</font>, chesspain calls.

Final Pot: 26.12 BB
<font color="green">Main Pot: 9.37 BB, between Button, chesspain and BB.</font> &gt; <font color="white">Pot won by Button (9.37 BB).</font>
<font color="green">Pot 2: 16.75 BB, between Button and chesspain.</font> &gt; <font color="white">Pot won by Button (16.75 BB).</font>

Given the title of this post, you now all realize that I lost to 66. As the pot was going her way, I typed "Nice catch."

She then replies "Thanks, you bet like a fool."

[STEAM] I then type "I had you beat, girlie, until the river." I add "I had a set of queens."

She replies "Sure...like the last time."

[MORE STEAM} I replied, "Check the hand history, retard." However, I immediately typed "Actually, I really don't care," and proceeded to calm down surprisingly quickly. I then played my usual game for another half hour or so, and ended the session up a few big bets.

I guess my question is whether most of you would have had more self-control than I showed after being insulted following the receipt of a super bad beat?

[sthief09]

I wouldn't have even written "nice catch" to begin with. that's just asking to start somthing

[adanthar]

She thinks you're a maniac and you correct her? Why?

I wish I had someone in my sessions that would 3 bet all my raising hands with crap at will /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[BonJoviJones]

Had I typed "nice catch" and gotten that reply, I would have been unhappy as you were.

That's why I tend to not open my mouth in the first place /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[bdk3clash]

You may have just clued her and the rest of the table into the fact that hand histories (with all hands that see a showdown) even exist.

This is not good.

[tech]

[ QUOTE ]
You may have just clued her and the rest of the table into the fact that hand histories (with all hands that see a showdown) even exist.


[/ QUOTE ]

My thoughts exactly. Let's keep this to ourselves. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[chesspain]

[ QUOTE ]
I wouldn't have even written "nice catch" to begin with. that's just asking to start somthing

[/ QUOTE ]

When I win a huge pot by drawing to a one-outer and someone says "Nice Catch," I accept that I received the blessings of the poker gods, and hence, I would never take offense. I would have only expected the type of nasty reply hurled by my opponent from the nits who play at Foxwoods.

[surfdoc]

"Don't tap on the aquarium"

[Haupt_234]

[ QUOTE ]
You may have just clued her and the rest of the table into the fact that hand histories (with all hands that see a showdown) even exist.



[/ QUOTE ]

This might take away my "What did you have? I had you on the [insert exact hand with suites]..." line.

Haupt_234

[chesspain]

[ QUOTE ]
You may have just clued her and the rest of the table into the fact that hand histories (with all hands that see a showdown) even exist.

This is not good.

[/ QUOTE ]

I didn't really think that the average Party 2/4 player was that clueless!

[sfer]

I've learned to take this post bad beat trash talk like a man by screaming MOTHERFUCKER! at the computer. I usually don't table chat at all unless prompted. The exceptions are when I play with other 2+2ers.

[Rugbyrat]

But, many are. It's been more than once when someone lies about his/her hand, that I've pointed out that the hand history says otherwise, and I've received a response such as "How do you know? Can you see my cards?"

I /images/graemlins/heart.gif Party Poker.

[cardcounter0]

The fisherman who stands on the bank of the pond quietly, catches more fish.
/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[MAxx]

yeah, i dont reply to that kind of stuff... if anything it will only fire you up more. I dont taunt or respond to taunts. I just laugh at the fish to myself. I do not like giving away extra info either. I usually just play with summary w/out chat, b/c all I really care to see in that chat window is that the pots are staying on high volume.

[BottlesOf]

I certainly would not have any control.

[turnipmonster]

I usually laugh and think about how much this would have cost me if I was playing PL. if I am playing PL, I laugh and think about how much I hate poker. then I call brad and complain.

--turnipmonster

[cjx]

I definitely wouldn't have said nice catch, maybe nice hand... the only time I actually get angry is when another player starts to berate a fish and that causes the fish or table to tighten up.

I then start to poke fun at the angry ranting player in an effort to get the table in a gambling mood once more.

cjx

[PokerNoob]

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) MP1 hits the raise button with any piece of the turn. Two hands before, he coldcalled my AA, coldcalled my raise of EP on a rag, rag, jack flop, raised me when a Q hit the turn and bet out the river king. Showed down KJo.


Preflop: Hero is BB with 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (3.50 SB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">MP1 caps</font>, Button calls, Hero calls.

River: (15.25 BB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, Button calls, Hero says "nice catch" and calls.

Final Pot: 18.25 BB
<font color="green">Main Pot: 18.25 BB, between MP1, Button and Hero.</font>

[tech]

[ QUOTE ]
I usually just play with summary w/out chat

[/ QUOTE ]

Just a suggestion ... you might try leaving chat on. I don't chat myself, but you can pick up some very useful info on players by the things they say in chat.

[tech]

[ QUOTE ]
"Don't tap on the aquarium"

[/ QUOTE ]

I like it. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[sfer]

Bet the flop.

[bdk3clash]

I love when bad limit players say "You're lucky this isn't pot limit/no limit" when bemoaning a "lucky" draw that got there on the river.

No, you're lucky this isn't pot limit/no limit. You'd probably have been broke long ago. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[LuvDemNutz]

The maddest I've ever been at PP was when I had a boat rivered by a gutshot straight flush - my opponent then proceeded to type "hahahahahaha" apparently proud that he was able to pull the only card in the deck that could've saved his ass.

I of course lost my cool and typed all sorts of profanities and whatnot and went on tilt to boot.

Now, whenever I get rivered by a chasing fish - I curse at the computer but type nothing. Perhaps the obligatory "nh" to encourage the chasers to keep playing the way that will ultimately pad MY bankroll.

Also, I think you'd be very surprised how few people know how to check hand histories. There really is no need to tell them just like there is no reason to tell them how badly they play - unless you want them to get better?

Keeping your cool and ignoring chatter from the fish will serve you well in the long run.

[House-Lion]

[ QUOTE ]
"Don't tap on the aquarium"


"The fisherman who stands on the bank of the pond quietly, catches more fish."


[/ QUOTE ] ... compared to the fool who loudly brags about his catch.


First one I heard online some month ago and it imediatetly stuck in my memory /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Second is new to me, sounds as true as an old saying.

*leaves carefully not to tap any aquariums*

[BaronVonCP]

You are very mistaken.

[Ralph Wiggum]

I never have chat on. If I ever do get really angry (very rarely), I'll just step back from the computer. And the few times, I've been angry, it's not b/c of how someone else caught something, but b/c of how I played.

[MicroBob]

there are many many players on party who don't know you can see the unshown show-down cards in the HH.

there are quite a few players on this forum who don't know this either....there was a thread about this in the general forum a month or so ago "did you guys know you can do this??" and several responded that they weren't aware or had only recently made this discovery.


many many more players on party lie about what they had not knowing that we can all see they are lying.
you are pretty darn foolish if you correct them or point it out to them.


finally.....i would have laughed at the beat and shaken it off. the comments are certainly nothing out of the ordinary and nothing to be upset over. she caught the 1-outer...so what.


you should semi-frequently be running into players who tell you that you play terribly.
you should NEVER take offense to this.
you should ALWAYS enjoy these comments because you already know you are a winning player and therefore should have nothing to prove.


you aren't there to prove how much of a better player you are. you are just there to win their money.



if i had gotten some kind of comment like 'yup...just like last time' i might have said either:

nothing
or
'ty' (this usually confuses the fish and can be great fun)
or
'yup.....you caught me'
or
'enjoy my money'


more on my 'ty' comment....try it, you might like it. it sometimes loosens up the most evil of abusers.....

'you f-----ing fag. you're the worst player ever.'
'ty'
'what?!?!?! you suck. i'm coming to your place to beat the crap out of you'
'ty'
'ty for what??'
'ty for coming to my place to beat me up...and ty for telling me i suck'
'you're a homo!!!!'
'ty'

usually the rest of the table is cracking up.


finally....the phrase 'nice catch' is frequently taken as an insult and intended to be one.
i would watch it with this phrase.
of course,,, when someone says it to me i say 'Hell Yeah!! TY'

[Clarkmeister]

If you really get this upset, you are like way better off turning off the player chat. Seriously.

[Hallett]

I saw a comment here the other day, which I have been using for a lot of different purposes. Sorry, I can't give credit to whomever said it first, as I forget:

"Golly"

[Muckahaihan]

Her comment was out of line.

[serling]

I never type "nice catch" and rarely type "nh" and though I am prone to tilting, it'll be to my monitor and cordless mouse which gets thrown too far these days.

But if she were to begin the prodding with "Thanks, you bet like a fool" I probably would've said, "I usually make those draws" or something similar so she and others will happily call down my future raises. I may as well attempt to make something out of the beat since I didn't make money.

serling

[lil']

She had a set, was she supposed to fold at some point? Why insult her when she played the hand fine?

[Billman]

I was playing the other night and was out of the hand but watched as Player 1 beat Player 2 with a flopped two pair vs. Player 2's pair of kings.

Player 2 types: "Nice catch."

Player 1 responds "??? I flopped two pair."

Player 2 "I know"

Now, being the evil SOB that I am, I decide to see if I can't turn up the heat on the steamer.

Me: "You don't act like it. Was he supposed to lay down two pair because of your mighty K?"

Player 1: "A catch is when someone is trying to catch a 2 outer and hits it on the river. It's a longshot hand."

Player 2: "I know"

Player 2: "I'm just having a hard night. That's all. Sorry if I angered anyone."

He gave up about 20 - 30 more BB before calling it a night. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Saborion]

He didn't insult her because of her play. He got mad at her for her reply when he said he had her beat until the river.

[Saborion]

I prefer not to talk to anyone about anything. My standard reply is "nh", and that goes for them drawing a 4-outer or worse on me, or when they actually do have a nice hand.

[bunky9590]

I'd just tell her that WHEN I polish off the rest of her pathetic little bankroll, She can drop to her knees to earn some of it back. /images/graemlins/blush.gif

[gojacketz]

Why do you feel that you have to say "nice catch"? Why would you give her information about your hand if she doesn't know how to check what you had?

Take awful beats with some dignity, don't let anyone know that it bothers you. Bash your keyboard (I am on my 3rd this year), throw your mouse (second), but don't let them know it.

As for the hand history, I love the fact that you can see mucked hands on tables that you aren't even playing on in the hand history, hehe.

Gojacketz

[lil']

He didn't insult her because of her play. He got mad at her for her reply when he said he had her beat until the river.

Oh, please. "Nice catch" is an insult, and everyone knows it.

[Haupt_234]

Why not just try to keep your calm, don't type anything at all, and sit at your computer rationally after a player sucks out on you?

I mean, I know it isn't an easy task and it is easier said than done, but the best thing to do is practice taking it lightly and trai yourself to do so. Bad beats are inevitable and will always happen, no matter what.

Also, it is good practice for players who play at the casino regularly. Why show opponents that the hand mentally affected you, or that the player just got under your skin and you are likely on tilt? Plus, it's cheaper than buying new keyboards and mouses...

Haupt_234

[Saborion]

I don't consider it an insult, especially not after she really didn't do anything wrong when playing the hand.

But thanks for letting me know though.

[MicroBob]

i'll take credit for "golly" for now.....as i posted a few days ago that this is one of my favorite phrases both live and online.


i also kind of wonder about you guys who are always bashing your keyboards and mouses, etc.
i have been known to be a fairly easily angered guy in semi-high stress jobs/situations in the past.
and i KNOW that i am a rather competitive person (you should see me on my co-ed soccer team).

but i just never seem to have problems such as these.

if i lose a hand that i was into a bit more intensely....(i'm all-in in a NL cash game with a big hand) i'll typically say outloud "Wow! holy crap" and that's about the most i've done.
i think this has to do with playing well within my emotional bankroll level but i'm not positive on this.

i can handle losing $50-$100 in a single NL hand and i know i can handle these fluctuations.

if i were losing $1k or more on individual hands then i know i would potentially get a little violent on random inanimate objects because then i would have to start to worry about the rent-momney.
obviously this is why i don't play that high.


are there others here who think that beating up on keyboards might be a sign that maybe it would be best to step back a level??

again....i'm not sure on this one and im not trying to be condescending to the keyboard-beaters among us. so please don't take offense.

[blackaces13]

[ QUOTE ]
I guess my question is whether most of you would have had more self-control than I showed after being insulted following the receipt of a super bad beat?

[/ QUOTE ]

You're the one who made the oh-so-classy "nice catch" comment, she didn't even play the hand that poorly. You should know better than to have acted the way you did on this hand, it was pretty weak.

[chesspain]

Hey, Ace-crackhead,

A player wins a huge pot from me by hitting a one-outer, and then allegedly becomes so enraged by my saying "Nice Catch" that she becomes uncontrollably provoked into calling me a fool, rather than just enjoying her good fortune.

And you call me an A-hole!?

You're the one who needs a proctologist, Crackhead

[blackaces13]

A person plays a hand against you fairly well and ends up winning, you say "nice catch" (classy). Then she gets mad so you proceed to tell the whole table about the hand history function and probably tighten everyone up in the process.

I point out that this was IMO weak and that a person who has been posting here for so long should know better.

You call me a "crackhead".

Hmmmm...

[chesspain]

I like the way you edited your initial response to remove your claim that I was an "A-hole," even though that was the chief reason I even responded to your blather. Nice, sleazy move. I'll stand by my reputation here and assume that people will believe me. You can just slither back from wherever you came.

[blackaces13]

You deleted this but here's my response anyway....

[ QUOTE ]
I like you way you changed your initial post to edit out having called me an "A-hole." Nice, sleazy move. I'll stand by my reputation here. You can slither under yours.

[/ QUOTE ]

I edited the post far prior to your response and I will say right now that my initial post said "A-hole" in place of "oh-so-classy". I changed it myself because I thought maybe it was too offensive and apparently it took you about 20 minutes or more to reply because I edited it within 2 or 3 minutes. I didn't do it as a result of your response.

I really don't know why you're focusing on me here either. Others have told you that saying "nice catch" is plainly rude, telling the whole table about the HH function is counterproductive, and that the person played their hand reasonably so the beat wasn't even "bad".

So why are you attacking me? Because I don't post as much as others on this forum?

I never said that you were an A-hole but rather that saying "nice catch" is what I would call an A-hole thing to say and I think others here would agree.

[chesspain]

[ QUOTE ]

I really don't know why you're focusing on me here either. Others have told you that saying "nice catch" is plainly rude, telling the whole table about the HH function is counterproductive, and that the person played their hand reasonably so the beat wasn't even "bad".
.
.
So why are you attacking me?

[/ QUOTE ]

As you likely realized from reading all of the posts that came before yours, I didn't attack what the others said because:

1. Even though I still have trouble seeing how "Nice Catch" is a rude or insulting statement, I realize now that enough people do see it this way so I need to refrain from making comments like this.

2. I realize that informing others about hand histories was foolish.

3. I never said my opponent played badly, or that I deserved to win. I simply opined that losing to someone who was behind you the entire way until rivering a one-outer would likely qualify as a bad beat.

However, you were the only one who was so rude as to refer to me or my comment as being an "A-hole." Furthermore, whereas my "nice catch" comment came seconds after being dealt an expensive, bad beat, your vulgar comment in the initial post came while you were sitting comfortably in front of your computer, with no such stress to have induced such nastiness towards me. That's why I was focusing on you.

I think we've probably cleared the air enough on this subject.

[rkaufman]

Wise words!

Rob

[joker122]

All he said was "nice catch." It's really not a big deal. Yesterday someone called me a "stupid f*cking n*gger" because I riverd a gutshot with AK.

[Hallett]

The beauty of golly is that it can mean anything I want, and nobody knows just what that is. Herre is but one example, and I would write more, but you all know them anyway. In fact, as I write this, I hit the nut flush on the TURN, get three bet when I raise the guy, and we do the same on the river, even though the board did NOT pair, and his single pair was no good.

My Example:

Hero (LP) have K /images/graemlins/club.gif J /images/graemlins/club.gif
Nutbar in EP has A /images/graemlins/heart.gif 6 /images/graemlins/spade.gif

No raise pre-flop
Flop is two /images/graemlins/club.gif's, no A no 6.
Nutbar bets out, hero raises, nutbar calls.

Turn is A /images/graemlins/club.gif
Nutbar bets out, hero raises, nutbar calls.

River is 6 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif
Nutbar bets out, hero raises, nutbar calls.

Here, "Golly" means: "Honey, get the kids! We can eat meat tonight!!!"

Of course, we have all experienced the other "Golly" which means:

"Oh, my &amp;'$#"&amp;$%# GOD!! What kind of a ('('$%#" idiot $$"'' are you!!!! Do you realize what your odds were????? You went runner runner perfect, and had more '('&amp;%$#" chance of getting (')=)('%&amp;$% hit by ((')'&amp;'$%#" lighthning while taking a (')(('%$## CRAP!!!! A)=))('hole!!!!

I REALLY like "Golly" here, instead.

[ThePimpulator]

[ QUOTE ]
I'd just tell her that WHEN I polish off the rest of her pathetic little bankroll, She can drop to her knees to earn some of it back. /images/graemlins/blush.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Aaaaahhaaha

[KingSix]

***Note to self: Do not lose entire bankroll to bunky9590. /images/graemlins/grin.gif


Anytime someone starts in on me I just type "Yep I suck" and they respond with something bitting like "ya u do". Then they just go silent as their 8 brain cells grind to a halt.

I rarely chat, but my personal pet peeves are the "third person in" folks. I run into someone I know online and they'll say something like "lost with AA 4 times tonight" and I reply with a "tough" or "too bad" and there always seems to be some chucklehead who chimes in with "wanna tissue?".

/images/graemlins/mad.gif

King

[bunky9590]

Yeah my response would really put that chick on tilt right after SHE was the one who sucked out.

Man I'm nasty. Works better live though. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Saborion]

If I can make someone play worse using my verbal skills, then I'm not shy to do so. It's us vs. them, right?

[nilschristian]

First: If people say stuff like racism crap for example, report them!
Second: Be nice too bad players even if they win on a bad beat or an unlikely catch. Say "well-played" (even if it wasn't) instead of "nice catch" or "u lucky bastard". We all want to encourage bad player to stay at the table as long as posible, right!?

Play well
Nilschristian

[bdk3clash]

[ QUOTE ]
I'd just tell her that WHEN I polish off the rest of her pathetic little bankroll, She can drop to her knees to earn some of it back.

[/ QUOTE ]

[ QUOTE ]
***Note to self: Do not lose entire bankroll to bunky9590. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Early POTD contender.

Also, acecrack13 is right, Chesspain is wrong.

[bunky9590]

I thought some of you would get a rise out of that post.

What the heck is POTD?

[bdk3clash]

[ QUOTE ]
I thought some of you would get a rise out of that post.

What the heck is POTD?

[/ QUOTE ]

Post Of The Day

[bunky9590]

Thanks. I have to be the tilt master.

Plus have a wicked sharp toungue and a wiseass answer for everything.

Though not always politically correct!

[nilschristian]

Haha! Funny!

[bdk3clash]

[ QUOTE ]
Thanks. I have to be the tilt master.

Plus have a wicked sharp toungue and a wiseass answer for everything.

Though not always politically correct!

[/ QUOTE ]

Not so fast, my friend! /images/graemlins/laugh.gif Although your post was damn funny, I was nominating KingSix for early POTD consideration.

[TxSteve]

yeah..wouldn't that make any game with bunky -ev...since if he does happen to take all your chips....

i played some 1/2 recently while clearing a bonus at party..and one line i like that i saw there quite a bit was
"Nice!" coming from the person who was just sucked out on...

i think it's hard to take that as an insult...and it's the sort of comment i would expect to hear from someone who doesn't really know how to play....so i like to use it

[bunky9590]

Cool at least I was able to be a part of the POTD where indirect or not.

As far as being -EV to play witrh me.... it is for numbers reasons.

But not everyone gets the chance to "work off" some of the money. I do have standards. /images/graemlins/blush.gif

[KingSix]

[ QUOTE ]
Not so fast, my friend! Although your post was damn funny, I was nominating KingSix for early POTD consideration

[/ QUOTE ]

Thank You, Thank You. I couldn't have done it without bunky! /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

King