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dfscott
06-28-2004, 02:52 PM
Maybe this should go in the psychology forum, but I post everything else here, so pardon me while I lie down on the couch and unburden myself...if you're looking for hand histories, you should probably skip this post.

Lately, I've felt very tentative and off-balance during my ring game sessions. I face each one more with a sense of trepidation rather than anticipation. I'm always worried about a) getting a good hand and then getting sucked out on or b) not getting enough hands to play and getting eaten up by the blinds or hands that don't hit. This is in sharp contrast to my earlier play where I was relaxed and confident and took everything lightly, knowing that my good cards were just around the corner. I'm not sure what's changed. My stats are all good (most are trending up!), my earnings are up, I just feel like I'm always waiting for the other shoe to drop. I'm often rushing to finish a positive session so I don't take a late BR hit. Is this typical? Is this a phase? Am I suffering from poker overload?

Trying to track this down, I've tried to identify possible causes:

1) I'm playing much tighter tables than before. As a result, I've tightened up my play (to the benefit of my game). But I'm playing fewer hands, so there's a lot more riding on the hands that I do play. Maybe this is making me nervous. However, I've been at this level for a month now (4000+ hands), so you'd think I'd be used to it by now.

2) I took a stab at some SnGs for a change of pace. While I took second place in the 2nd one I entered, I then busted out on the bubble in the next two. Even though the entry fee was less than a single big pot in the ring games I'm playing, it really got to me. Even though I enjoyed the more obvious level of competition, I've sworn off them for a while. Whether it's the actual financial hit (minimal) or the fact that I lost 3 out of 4 tournaments, I feel like that's shaken my confidence some.

3) I'm less interested in analyzing the details of my game. I used to devour my PT statistics after each session. Now, I'm less into that and sometime won't even review the hands. Perhaps the whole ring grind was getting to me (which is why I took a stab at the SnGs).

So, please forgive the pity party -- just looking for some advice. Have other people gone through this phase? Is this just the "new-ness" of online poker finally wearing off? Should I just stop whining and go back to the tables and it'll take care of itself?

Thanks for listening...

Ralph Wiggum
06-28-2004, 03:12 PM
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Maybe this should go in the psychology forum

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Yeah, I think those guys handle these type of posts frequently.


Ralph diagnosis (Maybe helpful, maybe silly):

1) Bankroll: Worried about the money? Even if it is only chump change at these micro limits. If so, I'd say continue building additional bankroll, until you feel comfortable. Personally I like to have 500+BB to feel good, so I can just play some poker, whether I lose or win, I can go in feeling that I want to play right.

2) Burnout: It just ain't fun no more. The honeymoon is over, and you feel like it's just clicking buttons to match numbers and pictures. What's the point? If so, then sounds like you need to walk away from the table (you got other hobbies?), until you get the itch again.

3) Pressure (the expectancy) of winning: You know you're a good player now. So you feel you have to win to maintain your sense of pride/ego/(wo)manhood. It's not fun playing this way, b/c you're supposed to win, and losing to lessor players isn't good for the psyche. If so, look at how far you've come. Check out your oldest hand histories, and recall that you used to suck. You're good now, and realize even the best players in the world can & will lose to a monkey (yes, an actual monkey) that'll call w/ any two. You are a good player despite losing some roll, so play on playa.

4) um, I dunno, and it's probably the solution to your problem, but I didn't pay that much attention in my psych class. Oh well, you're screwed to play tentatively and still win. Doesn't sound too bad.

tech
06-28-2004, 03:16 PM
Definitely cross-post in the psychology forum. Those guys are better at this kind of stuff.

My amateur opinion is that it sounds like you could use a break.

Transference
06-28-2004, 03:16 PM
Probably a better post for the psych forum, but since that is my second most visited forum...

You have begun to identify the problem, excellent start.
It looks to me like any of several things may be going on here.

Your might be placing more value on your money. This is a classic response to a diminishing bankroll though, rarely the other way around. You already know this but players who are losing tend to tighten up, those that are winning tend towards the opposite.

It seems more likely that your developing or you have a pessimistic outlook. Do you frequently find yourself expecting a sudden turn of events if things are going very well for you? If so it might be your general attitude beyond the poker game, alternatively something outside of poker might be influencing you.

2 and 3 on your list are pretty common temptations after playing for a while. The grind can get repetitive, even when your doing well. This is when discipline needs to set in. This is when players blow their bankroll in games they aren’t ready for or aren’t financially equipped for. Resist the temptation, set goals at your current level to keep you interested. Monitor your play closely, if it feels tedious then pat yourself on the back for doing it anyway and know your on your way to being a long term winning player.

Hope that helps a bit, good luck and keep up the introspection!

kiemo
06-28-2004, 04:17 PM
Go casino whore for a few weeks.

Only problem with that is if you are like me, where two hours of poker play = 75 cents on good nights, your results from casino whoring will make you wonder why bother playing poker.

dfscott
06-28-2004, 04:18 PM
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Go casino whore for a few weeks.

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Heh-heh -- if only I had a casino nearby. What's the nearest casino to Atlanta? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Ric
06-28-2004, 04:25 PM
I think he means online casinos. Check the internet forum about that.

Edit: Taking a break does help if you're feeling frustrated. I did that for a couple days, and then when I wanted to start playing again I did. It worked.

Billman
06-28-2004, 04:30 PM
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2) I took a stab at some SnGs for a change of pace. While I took second place in the 2nd one I entered, I then busted out on the bubble in the next two. Even though the entry fee was less than a single big pot in the ring games I'm playing, it really got to me. Even though I enjoyed the more obvious level of competition, I've sworn off them for a while. Whether it's the actual financial hit (minimal) or the fact that I lost 3 out of 4 tournaments, I feel like that's shaken my confidence some.

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I'm not trying to minimize your other points but it seems people have given some good advice already. On this one, I think you may be setting the bar too high. Most good players can average 30% - 35% win rates at SnGs. From your post you're at 25% in 4 games. Hardly a large enough sample size to judge your performance by but you're not too far out of whack. Keep in mind that if you're going out on the bubble then it could just be that you have a hard time playing short handed games. It's a different skill than playing full tables. Something new to learn. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

bisonbison
06-28-2004, 04:37 PM
You're burnt out. Take a solid break for at least 2 weeks.

If you read these forums all the time, you'll notice even the longtime posters disappear for a while. GuyOnTilt didn't play poker for a month. Ulysses has done the same thing. I've done the same thing.

If you're not in the mood to play, poker can be a neverending vortex of tension, frustration and fear. There's nothing wrong about taking a break.