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Rage23

06-28-2004, 03:03 AM

I've been reading a lot of posts here over the past few weeks and have improved my game dramatically, but I think I still have some leaks that need fixing. In the last 2000 hands approx, I was up slightly over 20BB/100 hands, which I know is a little too high to be sustainable, although I figure 10BB/100 is a reasonable goal for me at $25NL.

Tonight, was my worst night in over 3 months, as I lost 170BB in 450 hands. Below, I have included a bunch of hands that I'm not sure I played correctly. So far, in analyzing my own game, I've come to the conlusion that my play is very good when leading or ahead in terms of betting and being able to lay down good hands that are beat, but I am very weak when it comes to playing when I'm behind and having to call bets. I could really, really use you guys help on these hands where I'm usually behind...THANKS!!

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (7 handed)

saw flop|saw showdown

Button ($20.25)
SB ($24.50)
BB ($57.55)
UTG ($19.50)
MP1 ($4.75)
MP2 ($13.85)
Hero ($26.40)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
2 folds, MP2 calls $0, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, BB raises to $5,50, MP2 folds, Hero calls $3.

Flop: ($10.75) A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB bets $5, Hero raises to $10, BB calls $5.

Turn: ($30.75) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $11.4 (All-In), BB calls $11.40.

what is he calling with? AJ, AJs, or AQs I'm thinking are all possibilities?

River: ($53.55) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $53.55
Main Pot: $53.55, between BB and Hero. > Pot won by Hero ($53.55).

Results in white below: 
BB shows Ts Qs (high card, ace).
Hero shows Kd As (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins $53.55. 

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (10 handed)

saw flop|saw showdown

MP1 ($32.80)
MP2 ($18.50)
MP3 ($24.50)
CO ($23.75)
Button ($32.15)
SB ($17.85)
BB ($19.50)
UTG ($24.25)
Hero ($44.40)
UTG+2 ($21.25)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, Hero calls $0, UTG+2 calls $0, 2 folds, MP3 calls $0, 2 folds, SB completes, BB checks,50,50,50,

Flop: ($2.50) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $2, UTG+2 calls $2, MP3 folds, SB folds, BB folds.

Turn: ($6.50) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $6, UTG+2 calls $6.

River: ($18.50) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $15, UTG+2 calls $12.75 (All-In).

Final Pot: $46.25
Main Pot: $44, between Hero and UTG+2. > Pot won by UTG+2 ($44).
Pot 2: $2.25, returned to Hero.

Results in white below: 
Hero shows 6c 6h (three of a kind, sixes).
UTG+2 shows 7s 5c (straight, seven high).
Outcome: UTG+2 wins $44. Hero wins $2.25. 

Lucky I'm guessing?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (10 handed)

saw flop|saw showdown

UTG+1 ($11.50)
UTG+2 ($23.50)
MP1 ($25.45)
Hero ($22.75)
MP3 ($8.50)
CO ($28.25)
Button ($32.90)
SB ($26.45)
BB ($26.20)
UTG ($28.35)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0, UTG+2 calls $0, MP1 calls $0, Hero raises to $3, 1 fold, CO calls $3, 1 fold, SB calls $2, 1 fold,50,50,50,75, UTG+1 calls $2.50, UTG+2 calls $2.50, MP1 calls $2.50.

Flop: ($18.50) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif (6 players)
SB bets $2, UTG+1 raises to $8.5 (All-In), UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, Hero calls $8.50, CO folds, SB calls $6.50.

Should I be including 3 aces and 3 queens in my outs tally along with the spades? Or is 2 pair or a set too real a possibility here?

Turn: ($44) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players, 1 all-in)
SB bets $2, Hero calls $2.

River: ($48) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players, 1 all-in)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $48
Main Pot: $44, between UTG+1, Hero and SB. > Pot won by UTG+1 ($44).
Pot 2: $4, between Hero and SB. > Pot won by SB ($4).

Results in white below: 
SB shows Js Jd (two pair, jacks and nines).
UTG+1 shows 9c Jc (full house, nines full of fives).
Hero shows As Qs (two pair, nines and fives).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins $44. SB wins $4. 

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 TEHero***** (6 handed)

saw flop|saw showdown

SB ($15.25)
BB ($33.70)
UTG ($51.13)
Hero ($24.75)
CO ($25.50)
Button ($39.70)

Preflop: Hero TEHero%%%%%Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, 3 folds, BB calls $1,50.

Flop: ($4.25) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4, BB calls $4.

Turn: ($12.25) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $10, BB calls $10.

River: ($32.25) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $8.75 (All-In), BB folds.

Final Pot: $41
Main Pot: $32.25, won by Hero.
Pot 2: $8.75, returned to Hero.

Results in white below: 
Outcome: Hero wins $41. 

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (10 handed)

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SB ($35.80)
BB ($14.85)
UTG ($40)
Hero ($25)
UTG+2 ($23.10)
MP1 ($25.90)
MP2 ($22.75)
MP3 ($24.50)
CO ($17.50)
Button ($52.65)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, Hero calls $0, UTG+2 calls $0, MP1 calls $0, 1 fold, MP3 raises to $1, 1 fold, Button calls $1, SB calls $0, 1 fold,50,50,50,75, Hero calls $0.50, UTG+2 calls $0.50, MP1 calls $0.50.

maybe shouldn't have called this from such early position?

Flop: ($6.50) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (6 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, enabled.MP3 bets $2, Button folds, SB raises to $6, Hero calls $6, UTG+2 folds, MP3 folds.

Turn: ($20.50) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($20.50) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB bets $3, Hero calls $3.

Final Pot: $26.50
Main Pot: $26.50, between SB, Hero and MP1. > Pot won by SB ($26.50).

Results in white below: 
SB shows Jd Jh (two pair, jacks and sevens).
Hero shows 5h Ah (two pair, sevens and fives).
MP1 shows Ad 3h (two pair, sevens and threes).
Outcome: SB wins $26.50. 

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (10 handed)

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MP3 ($13.90)
CO ($117.96)
Button ($19.62)
SB ($16.25)
BB ($49.92)
UTG ($58.70)
Hero ($23.75)
UTG+2 ($28.65)
MP1 ($5.15)
MP2 ($15.55)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
1 fold, Hero calls $0, UTG+2 raises to $3, 7 folds,50, Hero calls $2.50.

Flop: ($6.75) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets $7, Hero calls $7.

What's the correct play here?!?

Turn: ($20.75) A/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets $18.65 (All-In), Hero calls $13.75 (All-In).

And here??

River: ($53.15) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $53.15
Main Pot: $48.25, between Hero and UTG+2. > Pot won by UTG+2 ($48.25).
Pot 2: $4.90, returned to UTG+2.

Results in white below: 
Hero shows 8c 8d (one pair, eights).
UTG+2 shows Qd As (one pair, aces).
Outcome: UTG+2 wins $53.15. 

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed)

saw flop|saw showdown

MP1 ($67.08)
MP2 ($6.60)
MP3 ($29.90)
Hero ($19)
Button ($15.25)
SB ($38)
BB ($35.17)
UTG ($29.40)
UTG+1 ($74.15)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
4 folds, MP3 calls $0, Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, SB raises to $5, BB calls $4,50,50, MP3 folds, Hero calls $3.

Flop: ($15.50) K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $14 (All-In), SB raises to $30, BB folds.

Turn: ($59.50) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($59.50) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $59.50
Main Pot: $43.50, between Hero and SB. > Pot won by SB ($43.50).
Pot 2: $16, returned to SB.

Results in white below: 
SB shows Qs Qd (four of a kind, queens).
Hero shows Kh Ad (two pair, kings and queens).
Outcome: SB wins $59.50. 

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (10 handed)

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UTG+2 ($40.60)
MP1 ($18)
MP2 ($43.97)
MP3 ($23.50)
CO ($94.12)
Button ($43.25)
Hero ($18.55)
BB ($18.75)
UTG ($20)
UTG+1 ($27.65)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
3 folds, MP1 raises to $2, 2 folds, CO calls $2, 1 fold, Hero calls $1, 1 fold,75,

Flop: ($6.50) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $4, MP1 folds, CO calls $4.

Turn: ($14.50) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $6, CO folds.

Final Pot: $20.50
Main Pot: $14.50, won by Hero.
Pot 2: $6, returned to Hero.

Results in white below: 
No showdown. Hero wins $20.50. 

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (10 handed)

saw flop|saw showdown

CO ($14.60)
Button ($12.40)
SB ($43.47)
BB ($43.15)
UTG ($104.27)
UTG+1 ($5)
Hero ($26.35)
MP1 ($26)
MP2 ($16.25)
MP3 ($20.90)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif. UTG+1 posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, UTG+1 (poster) checks, Hero calls $0, MP1 raises to $1, 1 fold, MP3 calls $1, 1 fold, Button calls $1, 2 folds,50,50,50,50, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $1.00.

Flop: ($8.25) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $5, MP3 folds, Button folds, Hero calls $5.

flush with gutshot draw, correct implied odds to call here?

Turn: ($18.25) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $3, Hero calls $3.

River: ($24.25) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks.

was hoping for the c/r here, didn't happen though.

Final Pot: $24.25
Main Pot: $24.25, between Hero and MP1. > Pot won by Hero ($24.25).

Results in white below: 
Hero shows Ah 5h (flush, ace high).
MP1 shows Qs Kc (one pair, queens).
Outcome: Hero wins $24.25. 

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (10 handed)

saw flop|saw showdown

UTG ($3.70)
UTG+1 ($9)
UTG+2 ($20)
MP1 ($21.50)
MP2 ($26.25)
MP3 ($57.90)
CO ($49.05)
Button ($43.47)
Hero ($22.60)
BB ($23.05)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls $0, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls $0, MP1 raises to $2, 4 folds, Hero raises to $5, 1 fold,50,50, UTG calls $3.20 (All-In), UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to $21.5 (All-In), Hero calls $16.50.

correct raise and call here right??

Flop: ($47.70) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: ($47.70) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($47.70) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $47.70
Main Pot: $12.10, between UTG, MP1 and Hero. > Pot won by UTG ($12.10).
Pot 2: $35.60, between MP1 and Hero. > Pot won by MP1 ($35.60).

Results in white below: 
Hero shows Kh Kd (two pair, kings and fours).
UTG shows 8h 3s (straight, six high).
MP1 shows Ah Ad (two pair, aces and fours).
Outcome: MP1 wins $35.60. UTG wins $12.10. 

Thanks

SkippingGoat

06-28-2004, 06:18 AM

I got about a third of the way through these hands and didn't notice anything about your play that was extremely problematic. I didn't agree with all of your plays wholeheartedly but I don't think anyone's going to call you a fish. Dropping 170BB in one night is far from extraordinary. A couple of bad beats combined with getting into situations like having KK vs. AA can easily put you down this amount without any major errors is playing style.

Generally, I don't think it's a good idea to post a laundry list of hands. People really don't have the time or patience to go through and comment on them all and will most likely, as I did, give up a fraction of the way through. I think you're good enough to tell which hands need discussion and comments and which don't. For instance, the hand in which you flop a set, bet the pot on every street, then get sucked out on on the river is really not interesting. Do you think you should have pushed the flop? Check-folded on the end expecting an odd-ball straight? Post interesting hands one at a time and you'll get a lot more feedback.

bunky9590

06-28-2004, 07:52 AM

Break the posts down into seperates, Jeez i need a four page essay to respond to all the things I see with those hands. I know you're upset with dropping 170BB, but thats reall a drop in the bucket.

Drop 400 in a night and then I'll give you a shoulder to cry on.

I can respond to maybe like three at a time, but I cant respond to like 8 hands at a clip.

dmk

06-28-2004, 09:43 AM

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (7 handed)

saw flop|saw showdown

Button ($20.25)
SB ($24.50)
BB ($57.55)
UTG ($19.50)
MP1 ($4.75)
MP2 ($13.85)
Hero ($26.40)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
2 folds, MP2 calls $0, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, BB raises to $5,50, MP2 folds, Hero calls $3.

Flop: ($10.75) A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB bets $5, Hero raises to $10, BB calls $5.

Turn: ($30.75) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $11.4 (All-In), BB calls $11.40.

what is he calling with? AJ, AJs, or AQs I'm thinking are all possibilities?

River: ($53.55) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $53.55
Main Pot: $53.55, between BB and Hero. > Pot won by Hero ($53.55).

Results in white below: 
BB shows Ts Qs (high card, ace).
Hero shows Kd As (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins $53.55. 

[/ QUOTE ]
I put him on AK or QQ. Hope you added this to the BB's notes.
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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (10 handed)

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MP1 ($32.80)
MP2 ($18.50)
MP3 ($24.50)
CO ($23.75)
Button ($32.15)
SB ($17.85)
BB ($19.50)
UTG ($24.25)
Hero ($44.40)
UTG+2 ($21.25)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, Hero calls $0, UTG+2 calls $0, 2 folds, MP3 calls $0, 2 folds, SB completes, BB checks,50,50,50,

Flop: ($2.50) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $2, UTG+2 calls $2, MP3 folds, SB folds, BB folds.

Turn: ($6.50) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $6, UTG+2 calls $6.

River: ($18.50) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $15, UTG+2 calls $12.75 (All-In).

Final Pot: $46.25
Main Pot: $44, between Hero and UTG+2. > Pot won by UTG+2 ($44).
Pot 2: $2.25, returned to Hero.

Results in white below: 
Hero shows 6c 6h (three of a kind, sixes).
UTG+2 shows 7s 5c (straight, seven high).
Outcome: UTG+2 wins $44. Hero wins $2.25. 

Lucky I'm guessing?

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Yup.
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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (10 handed)

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UTG+1 ($11.50)
UTG+2 ($23.50)
MP1 ($25.45)
Hero ($22.75)
MP3 ($8.50)
CO ($28.25)
Button ($32.90)
SB ($26.45)
BB ($26.20)
UTG ($28.35)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0, UTG+2 calls $0, MP1 calls $0, Hero raises to $3, 1 fold, CO calls $3, 1 fold, SB calls $2, 1 fold,50,50,50,75, UTG+1 calls $2.50, UTG+2 calls $2.50, MP1 calls $2.50.

Flop: ($18.50) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif (6 players)
SB bets $2, UTG+1 raises to $8.5 (All-In), UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, Hero calls $8.50, CO folds, SB calls $6.50.

Should I be including 3 aces and 3 queens in my outs tally along with the spades? Or is 2 pair or a set too real a possibility here?

Turn: ($44) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players, 1 all-in)
SB bets $2, Hero calls $2.

River: ($48) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players, 1 all-in)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $48
Main Pot: $44, between UTG+1, Hero and SB. > Pot won by UTG+1 ($44).
Pot 2: $4, between Hero and SB. > Pot won by SB ($4).

Results in white below: 
SB shows Js Jd (two pair, jacks and nines).
UTG+1 shows 9c Jc (full house, nines full of fives).
Hero shows As Qs (two pair, nines and fives).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins $44. SB wins $4. 

[/ QUOTE ]
Set is possible, I doubt 2 pair is out. Regardless, don't call off half your stack on a flush draw. If you're going to play it, I think you need to re-push on the flop.
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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 TEHero***** (6 handed)

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SB ($15.25)
BB ($33.70)
UTG ($51.13)
Hero ($24.75)
CO ($25.50)
Button ($39.70)

Preflop: Hero TEHero%%%%%Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, 3 folds, BB calls $1,50.

Flop: ($4.25) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4, BB calls $4.

Turn: ($12.25) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $10, BB calls $10.

River: ($32.25) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $8.75 (All-In), BB folds.

Final Pot: $41
Main Pot: $32.25, won by Hero.
Pot 2: $8.75, returned to Hero.

Results in white below: 
Outcome: Hero wins $41. 

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This is fine. I probably would have pushed on the turn. Not sure if that's the right play though.
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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (10 handed)

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SB ($35.80)
BB ($14.85)
UTG ($40)
Hero ($25)
UTG+2 ($23.10)
MP1 ($25.90)
MP2 ($22.75)
MP3 ($24.50)
CO ($17.50)
Button ($52.65)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, Hero calls $0, UTG+2 calls $0, MP1 calls $0, 1 fold, MP3 raises to $1, 1 fold, Button calls $1, SB calls $0, 1 fold,50,50,50,75, Hero calls $0.50, UTG+2 calls $0.50, MP1 calls $0.50.

maybe shouldn't have called this from such early position?

Flop: ($6.50) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (6 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, enabled.MP3 bets $2, Button folds, SB raises to $6, Hero calls $6, UTG+2 folds, MP3 folds.

Turn: ($20.50) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($20.50) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB bets $3, Hero calls $3.

Final Pot: $26.50
Main Pot: $26.50, between SB, Hero and MP1. > Pot won by SB ($26.50).

Results in white below: 
SB shows Jd Jh (two pair, jacks and sevens).
Hero shows 5h Ah (two pair, sevens and fives).
MP1 shows Ad 3h (two pair, sevens and threes).
Outcome: SB wins $26.50. 

[/ QUOTE ]
Again, I push the flop. You likely have 14 outs (9 flush, 2 5s, 3 As). Maybe I'm too aggressive :\
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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (10 handed)

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MP3 ($13.90)
CO ($117.96)
Button ($19.62)
SB ($16.25)
BB ($49.92)
UTG ($58.70)
Hero ($23.75)
UTG+2 ($28.65)
MP1 ($5.15)
MP2 ($15.55)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
1 fold, Hero calls $0, UTG+2 raises to $3, 7 folds,50, Hero calls $2.50.

Flop: ($6.75) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets $7, Hero calls $7.

What's the correct play here?!?

Turn: ($20.75) A/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets $18.65 (All-In), Hero calls $13.75 (All-In).

And here??

River: ($53.15) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $53.15
Main Pot: $48.25, between Hero and UTG+2. > Pot won by UTG+2 ($48.25).
Pot 2: $4.90, returned to UTG+2.

Results in white below: 
Hero shows 8c 8d (one pair, eights).
UTG+2 shows Qd As (one pair, aces).
Outcome: UTG+2 wins $53.15. 

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Ok, I know I keep saying push, but it's mainly due to the stack sizes. Push the flop. You are ahead of overcards, and if there is an overpair, you are drawing to 10 outs or running clubs if he doesn't have one. Again, I think a lot of these "push" comments are due to the shallow stack sizes.
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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed)

saw flop|saw showdown

MP1 ($67.08)
MP2 ($6.60)
MP3 ($29.90)
Hero ($19)
Button ($15.25)
SB ($38)
BB ($35.17)
UTG ($29.40)
UTG+1 ($74.15)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
4 folds, MP3 calls $0, Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, SB raises to $5, BB calls $4,50,50, MP3 folds, Hero calls $3.

Flop: ($15.50) K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $14 (All-In), SB raises to $30, BB folds.

Turn: ($59.50) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($59.50) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $59.50
Main Pot: $43.50, between Hero and SB. > Pot won by SB ($43.50).
Pot 2: $16, returned to SB.

Results in white below: 
SB shows Qs Qd (four of a kind, queens).
Hero shows Kh Ad (two pair, kings and queens).
Outcome: SB wins $59.50. 

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Broken record...stack sizes dictate play it to the felt.
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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (10 handed)

saw flop|saw showdown

UTG+2 ($40.60)
MP1 ($18)
MP2 ($43.97)
MP3 ($23.50)
CO ($94.12)
Button ($43.25)
Hero ($18.55)
BB ($18.75)
UTG ($20)
UTG+1 ($27.65)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
3 folds, MP1 raises to $2, 2 folds, CO calls $2, 1 fold, Hero calls $1, 1 fold,75,

Flop: ($6.50) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $4, MP1 folds, CO calls $4.

Turn: ($14.50) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $6, CO folds.

Final Pot: $20.50
Main Pot: $14.50, won by Hero.
Pot 2: $6, returned to Hero.

Results in white below: 
No showdown. Hero wins $20.50. 

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No problem. I'd bet the pot each time, and end up all-in on the turn.
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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (10 handed)

saw flop|saw showdown

CO ($14.60)
Button ($12.40)
SB ($43.47)
BB ($43.15)
UTG ($104.27)
UTG+1 ($5)
Hero ($26.35)
MP1 ($26)
MP2 ($16.25)
MP3 ($20.90)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif. UTG+1 posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, UTG+1 (poster) checks, Hero calls $0, MP1 raises to $1, 1 fold, MP3 calls $1, 1 fold, Button calls $1, 2 folds,50,50,50,50, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $1.00.

Flop: ($8.25) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $5, MP3 folds, Button folds, Hero calls $5.

flush with gutshot draw, correct implied odds to call here?

Turn: ($18.25) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $3, Hero calls $3.

River: ($24.25) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks.

was hoping for the c/r here, didn't happen though.

Final Pot: $24.25
Main Pot: $24.25, between Hero and MP1. > Pot won by Hero ($24.25).

Results in white below: 
Hero shows Ah 5h (flush, ace high).
MP1 shows Qs Kc (one pair, queens).
Outcome: Hero wins $24.25. 

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He already seems uninterested on the turn when he underbets the pot by a mile. I normally min-raise here to get more $ into the pot. Often times he'll fold. Don't check that river. Don't overbet it either. Just value-bet, something around $7-8 or so.
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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (10 handed)

saw flop|saw showdown

UTG ($3.70)
UTG+1 ($9)
UTG+2 ($20)
MP1 ($21.50)
MP2 ($26.25)
MP3 ($57.90)
CO ($49.05)
Button ($43.47)
Hero ($22.60)
BB ($23.05)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls $0, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls $0, MP1 raises to $2, 4 folds, Hero raises to $5, 1 fold,50,50, UTG calls $3.20 (All-In), UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to $21.5 (All-In), Hero calls $16.50.

correct raise and call here right??

Flop: ($47.70) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: ($47.70) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($47.70) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $47.70
Main Pot: $12.10, between UTG, MP1 and Hero. > Pot won by UTG ($12.10).
Pot 2: $35.60, between MP1 and Hero. > Pot won by MP1 ($35.60).

Results in white below: 
Hero shows Kh Kd (two pair, kings and fours).
UTG shows 8h 3s (straight, six high).
MP1 shows Ah Ad (two pair, aces and fours).
Outcome: MP1 wins $35.60. UTG wins $12.10. 

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Of course. Don't be results oriented, you know they'll make this same play w/ QQ/JJ/AK/AQ, and quite possibly more.

schwza

06-28-2004, 11:33 AM

on the hand where you had a /images/graemlins/heart.gif 5 /images/graemlins/heart.gif for a pair and the nut flush draw, you'd really like to be all-in on the flop, especially since you're out of position (well, until the SB knocks out the field, anyway). i would either bet the flop hoping to 3-bet all-in, or once you've checked and it's check-raised by the SB, then push all-in. you've got 9 outs to the nuts plus 5 more to big hands - get the $ in.

and yes, post more interesting hands.

MasterShakes

06-28-2004, 02:12 PM

Hand #1
Preflop - Fine, would have played it the same.
Flop and turn are both fine IMO - I think you played this whole hand alright.

Hand #2
This is just unfortunate. I had similar outdraws happen to me several times this weekend and still ended up winning. Don't let these hands get you down.

Hand #3
Preflop is fine, given the numerous EP callers - I can't believe that many people got in there.
However, given that they did get in there, it's tough not to put at least a few of them on a pocket pair. If this is me, I suspect a set on the flop and have a lot of trouble drawing to this flush.

Hand #4
I have no problem with the preflop raise or the apparent attempted steal on the flop, but why keep firing on the turn? I know it might be weak to give up on this pot, but we're not talking about a NL game with tough reputations - this is Party NL and profitable situations come up all the time. Why waste your time with something like this? You're lucky he was apparently on a draw.

Hand #5
I would have trouble limping with a suited ace in EP. Even in these games, I think you need position to play these hands. From the flop on, I can't say that I would have played it differently, but this hand should demonstrate the difficulty of playing AXs out of position.

Hand #6
Calling the raise was probably ok because if you flop your set, you're likely getting his stack with that big of a raise. On the flop, you likely have 10 outs. Despite this, I have trouble continuing play. There's no reason to put your stack in jeopardy in this situation. Like I said earlier, easier situations come up all the time. No need to waste your time on this.

Hand #7
A re-raise at this limit usually indicates at least QQ. Tighter players won't even re-raise with that - they just call and hope to hit their set. Some looser players will re-raise with JJ, TT, AK and even AQ. If that Q isn't there, I probably agree with the flop push. With it there, you're behind to all of the hands I could put this player on, and you might be as good as a split up against another AK.

Hand #8
This looks standard to me. The raiser was probably on AK or AQ and he'd likely let you know if he had better.

Hand #9
Another AXs out of position. This could have been a lot harder on you, but I agree with your flop call. The check and call on the turn will look suspicious. If you come out betting when the flush card comes, some players will look at this as suspicious in the other direction (i.e., put you on a flush bluff) and I think this will typically get you more action. At least check raise the turn. Always come out betting on the river. I thought playing the turn slow was because you feared a set pairing the board on the river. No need to get greedy.

Hand #10
Be willing to get in with KK every single time except for exceedingly rare situations. A situation like this would be that you know the player you are up against is tight and doesn't like to get all-in except on AA or KK (like me). If you had bigger stacks and you had each other covered, then getting all-in with KK MIGHT be tough. However, don't beat yourself up over running into AA here. I've gotten all-in with KK against what were incomprehensible all-in bets to me. Even when you do run into AA, you will win 1 in 5 times.

Overall, your play looks pretty good and your win rate is apparently healthy. Keep playing a lot. Start paying attention to position more on your drawing hands. I don't see that playing these AXs hands in EP or MP is profitable. I only play them in the last three seats and even then only if I'm up against limpers in unraised pots. Not only is it better to draw with position than without - you also get lots of steal opportunities on the flop with these hands when the action is checked to you.

Rage23

06-28-2004, 09:19 PM

thanks, i'll try to post fewer hands in the future...the reason i posted all of those together was so that hopefully some sort of trend or re-occuring theme could be identified

tewall

06-28-2004, 10:14 PM

I'm with the crowd requesting you to break down the post into small segments. I think up to 3 hands is O.K.

You did get to guys to answer all 10 hands. They deserve metals!

Rage23

06-28-2004, 10:31 PM

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Hand #4
I have no problem with the preflop raise or the apparent attempted steal on the flop, but why keep firing on the turn? I know it might be weak to give up on this pot, but we're not talking about a NL game with tough reputations - this is Party NL and profitable situations come up all the time. Why waste your time with something like this? You're lucky he was apparently on a draw.

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not sure if you noticed i hit the straight on the turn

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Hand #5
I would have trouble limping with a suited ace in EP. Even in these games, I think you need position to play these hands. From the flop on, I can't say that I would have played it differently, but this hand should demonstrate the difficulty of playing AXs out of position.

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definately some good advice i'll put to use

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Overall, your play looks pretty good and your win rate is apparently healthy. Keep playing a lot. Start paying attention to position more on your drawing hands. I don't see that playing these AXs hands in EP or MP is profitable. I only play them in the last three seats and even then only if I'm up against limpers in unraised pots. Not only is it better to draw with position than without - you also get lots of steal opportunities on the flop with these hands when the action is checked to you.

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Thanks so much for taking the time to look over the hands. Judging by other comments to shorten the number of hands, I'll make sure to keep posts to a select few interesting hands in the future.

MasterShakes

06-29-2004, 01:58 AM

You're right... totally missed the straight... hope I haven't done that in play...

gergery

06-29-2004, 04:01 AM

I liked how you played most of these. Only exception was the 88 hand where i fold preflop and push allin on turn.

These were mostly hands where you made money, not lost it.

I started my first 1000 hands at Party 25NL at ~25BB/hr. After a bad patch, I'm now around 5BB/hr after 2500 hands. It happens.

Focus more on your decisions, and less on the outcome.

Yeah, i say that now, but after watching my bankroll get cut in half from 30-3 multis i can tell you i cursed a storm and switched back to 20-2 SNGs --so try a change of pace.

--Greg