Can I Fold Aces Here?

[ansky451]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed)

saw flop|<font color="C00000">saw showdown</font>

UTG+1 ($$51.80)
MP1 ($$38.60)
MP2 ($$39.35)
<font color="C00000">MP3 ($$105.55)</font>
CO ($$30)
Button ($$39.85)
<font color="C00000">Hero ($$49.10)</font>
BB ($$334.10)
UTG ($$47)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $1, MP3 calls $1, CO folds, Button calls $1, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to $3</font>, BB calls $2, MP2 calls $2, MP3 calls $2, Button folds.

Flop: ($13) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets $10</font>, BB folds, MP2 folds, <font color="CC3333">MP3 raises to $102.55</font>, Hero calls $36.10 (All-In).

Turn: ($161.65) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: ($161.65) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $161.65
<font color="green">Main Pot: $105.20, between MP3 and Hero.</font> &gt; <font color="white">Pot won by MP3 ($105.20).</font>
<font color="green">Pot 2: $56.45, returned to MP3.</font>

Results in white below: <font color="white">
Hero shows Ah Ac (two pair, aces and tens).
MP3 shows Td Ad (three of a kind, tens).
Outcome: MP3 wins $161.65. </font>


My biggest mistake was probably the weak bet preflop no?

[sdplayerb]

well you were around a 50/50 when the money got in, and with the dead money in there, i would take that all day.

you make it seem like you made some terrible call against a set.

yes, you should have raised more preflop.
also, was the BB $1 or $.50? That is confusing in your post.

[ansky451]

Yes well i thought i was up against a set, and i changed the bb to the correct amount of 1

[AlekzanderZ]

Exactly, your mistake is the pre flop bet. In a cashgame, you have to raise between 6 and 8 time de BB so 6$ or 8$.

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[luckycharms]

Biggest mistake: not playing at PartyPoker

[SmileyEH]

[ QUOTE ]
well you were around a 50/50 when the money got in, and with the dead money in there, i would take that all day.

you make it seem like you made some terrible call against a set.

yes, you should have raised more preflop.
also, was the BB $1 or $.50? That is confusing in your post.

[/ QUOTE ]

How is he 50-50 at this point? The villian is drawing to a ten or runners - clearly this is something more like 5-1 or better.

-SmileyEH

[riverboatking]

check the flop again

[Manimal]

The villain had 11 outs - diamonds and tens.

AA v ATs with the flop 56% AA 43% ATs 1% Tie

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[LargeCents]

Hi Ansky,

I agree, a bigger raise preflop was necessary, especially out of position. Heck, out of position, I might make it 8 or 10, then all-in on the flop. I just hate messing around out of position like that. But, you were leading when the money went in, so you were still a winner on the hand, in the theoretical sense.

--Cents

[Leo Bello]

He had eleven outs, he didn´t know what he was against. But u made a weak pre-flop move.
A bigger raise pre-flop was mandatory.

[RichSaneSwindler]

First of all hero had an overpair to villain's top pair top kicker and flush draw. This is usually 14 outs (9 diamonds, 2 tens, 3 aces) against an overpair, but because two of the aces were in the opponents hand and an ace would not help the villain the number of outs reduced to 11 (9 diamonds, 2 tens). This is a less than 40% win rate against when all in with 2 cards to come. So, the call was correct if AA knew that the villain was drawing to the flush with TPTK. In fact, what makes this interesting was that villain might have figured you for JJ, QQ or AK and moved in to either steal the pot or have even money with fourteen outs, but miscalculated due to your small preflop bet and was actually a dog and drew out.

Now, given your opponent probably did not put you on aces, and given that he overbet the pot, I would have probably put him more likely on the TPTK with flush draw than a set and then simply decided if I wanted to gamble a huge amount with only a 60:40 edge. Probably would have called.

Thoughts?