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Guido

06-24-2004, 09:32 AM

Misplaced aggression?

Hand 1 
Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed)

Preflop: Guido is SB with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif. MP posts a blind of $7.
1 fold, MP (poster) checks, Button calls, Guido raises, BB calls, MP calls, Button calls.

Flop: (8.40 SB) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
Guido bets, BB folds, MP calls, Button folds.

Turn: (5.20 BB) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Guido bets, MP calls.

River: (7.20 BB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Guido checks, MP bets, Guido calls.

Final Pot: 9.20 BB

 Hand 2 
Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 4 handed)

Preflop: Guido is BB with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG raises, Button calls, SB calls, Guido checks

Flop: (8 SB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
SB bets, Guido calls, UTG calls, Button folds.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
SB bets, Guido raises, UTG calls, SB 3-bets, Guido caps, UTG calls, SB calls.

River: (17.50 BB) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Guido bets, UTG raises, SB folds, Guido 3-bets, UTG caps, Guido calls.

Final Pot: 25.50 BB

 Hand 3 
Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed)

My opponent in this hand saw the flop about 70% of the time and raised about 15% of his hands. He loves to raise postflop with any pair.

Preflop: Guido is BB with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
2 folds, Button raises, 1 fold, Guido 3-bets, Button calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Guido bets, Button raises, Guido 3-bets, Button caps, Guido calls.

Turn: (7.20 BB) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Guido bets, Button raises, Guido calls.

River: (11.20 BB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Guido checks, Button bets, Guido calls.

Final Pot: 13.20 BB

Should I fold right after the flop raise?

 Hand 4 
Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed)

Preflop: Guido is UTG with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
Guido raises, MP calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls,

Flop: (12 SB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Guido bets, MP folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (5 players)
SB folds, BB checks, Guido bets, CO folds, Button calls, BB folds.

River: (10.50 BB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Guido checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB

Bet the river?

 Hand 5
Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 4 handed)

Preflop: Guido is SB with 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif.
2 folds, Guido raises, BB calls,

Flop: (4 SB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Guido bets, BB raises, Guido 3-bets, BB calls.

Turn: (5 BB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Guido bets, BB raises, Guido calls.

River: (9 BB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Guido checks, BB bets, Guido calls.

Final Pot: 11 BB

Fold on the turn?

Hand 6 
Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed)

Preflop: Guido UTG + 1 with 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif. UTG posts a blind of $5.
UTG (poster) checks, Guido raises, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB 3-bets, UTG calls, Guido calls.

Flop: (9.40 SB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
BB bets, UTG calls, Guido folds.

This was against the same guy as in the AQ hand.

 Hand 7 
Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed)

Preflop: Guido is UTG + 1 with 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
1 fold, Guido raises, Button calls, 2 folds,

Flop: (5.40 SB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Guido bets, Button calls.

Turn: (3.70 BB) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Guido bets, Button raises, Guido folds.

 Hand 8 
Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed)

Preflop: Guido MP with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, Guido raises, 2 folds, BB 3-bets, Guido calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
BB bets, Guido raises, BB 3-bets, Guido calls.

Turn: (6.20 BB) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB bets, Guido calls.

River: (8.20 BB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB bets, Guido calls.

Final Pot: 10.20 BB

Should I let go somewhere?

 Hand 9 
Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed)

Preflop: Guido is SB with 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, MP calls, CO raises, 1 fold, Guido 3-bets, 1 fold, MP calls, CO calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
Guido bets, MP calls, CO calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Guido bets, MP folds, CO calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Guido checks, CO checks.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

 Hand 10 
Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 4 handed)

Preflop: Guido is UTG with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
Guido raises, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls,

Flop: (6 SB) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Guido bets, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: (4 BB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Guido bets, SB calls.

River: (6 BB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Guido checks.

Final Pot: 6 BB

 Hand 11 
Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed)

Preflop: Guido is Button with 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
2 folds, Guido raises, 1 fold, BB calls,

Flop: (4.40 SB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Guido bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3.20 BB) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Guido bets, BB calls.

River: (5.20 BB) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Guido bets, BB raises, Guido calls.

Final Pot: 9.20 BB

Should I call these raises?

Sorry when these hands are easy for you but I really would like your opinion.

Thanks,

Guido

stripsqueez

06-24-2004, 11:16 AM

personally i think posting 11 hands for advice is a dangerous precedent - i dont think my advice is particularly valuable although i'm conceited enough to know that i can beat this game for plenty - must be your charming european nature that causes me to go through this bunch

1 - i like it - except - you wussed on the river - i could be critical of the pre-flop but i think its an imaginative and reasonable choice

2 - you could play it different depending on a view about who your playing but this looks a fine line to me

3 - i'm loving these hands - i wanted to check raise the turn

4 - i'm still loving these hands - looks a bit like a bet on the river but i'm not going to get too fussed with your choice

5 - i take back all previous remarks concerning overly wussy play - this is a plenty aggro line but i dont figure you've stepped over the line - calling him down is ok

6 - fold is ok - investing 1 small bet wouldnt be a crime either given the pot and implied odds

7 - again i think fold is ok - i definately call some guys down here but not many - some draws on the board and some guys never fold post flop

8 - normal

9 - the pre-flop could be debated - i think this is ok if you choose to 3 bet pre-flop

10 - yawn

11 - more yawn

stripsqueez - chickenhawk

Trix

06-24-2004, 11:30 AM

I haven´t played this game at all, but I probably will at some point.

1) I complete pre and bet flop.
2) Fine, teach me how to check in BB in a raised pot?
3) Bet and call a raise(I dont think you can make him fold if he is that loose). CR turn when you hit the Q.
4) Bet river, he will bet the king anyway...
5) Muck turn, maybe flop.
6) Fine
7) Fine
8) Call, Call, Call or raise.
9) Fine
10) Fine
1001) Fine

Guido

06-24-2004, 11:40 AM

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personally i think posting 11 hands for advice is a dangerous precedent

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I know but I don't think many people would be pleased when I would make 11 different posts.

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must be your charming european nature that causes me to go through this bunch

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Well thank you /images/graemlins/smile.gif

1) I just thought it was more likely that I would get a bet out of him when I checked than when I would bet and I don't want to face a raise either. He turned over K9o /images/graemlins/mad.gif.

3) What would you do when he 3-bets? He turned over J9s /images/graemlins/frown.gif

4) Well except from a PP I can't see any hand he's calling with which I can beat. I was hoping he would bluff on the river... He turned over KJo

5) I had no read but he turned over 94o /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

10-11) By yawn you mean normal? I seem to lose these hands a lot... /images/graemlins/frown.gif

Thanks a lot for responding. I really appreciate it.

Guido

Guido

06-24-2004, 11:46 AM

1) Ok
2) Sorry, the handconverter doesn't work well everytime for 6-max, obviously I called.
3) I think your line is better.
4) Well he didn't /images/graemlins/grin.gif
5) I was thinking about that. Thanks for your advice.
6-11) Ok, thanks

I guess I just have some bad luck and my play isn't terrible. I hope it will turn around soon.

Guido

stripsqueez

06-24-2004, 11:51 AM

i think given the description your line on 3 is ok - check raising the turn is optional - if he 3 bets a check raise i would probably still call him down

by yawn i mean normal

i think i need to attach a rider - you played a lot of these hands very aggressively - sometimes that level of aggression should be carefully targeted - in the 5/10 game, last time i was there, there were lots of passive guys - i think you could fold to a turn raise more in the 5/10 game than in the 10/20 games generally speaking - i'm giving advice usually in aggro 10/20 mode

long term i will be stunned if you dont beat the 5/10 game for a decent amount given what i've seen - no advice you get here is going to substitute for the value of putting in the hours which will ultimately determine how well you do - as i'm sure you appreciate you have to do most of the thinking for yourself

stripsqueez - chickenhawk

kiddo

06-24-2004, 12:49 PM

Hand 5:

Against 97% of all players at Party Poker 5/10 you are behind when he raises turn. If player is unknown its not worth to catch those 3%.

When he raises turn is he hoping to make you fold a pocketpair between A and 9? When you call turnraise I am not sure what he puts you on that makes him bet river again? I would think you had something like JJ or, if I was lucky, 99.

grinin

06-24-2004, 01:31 PM

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1001) Fine

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lol

on a more serious note
Hand 2
I would have raised flop (but not capped) to build pot then played the same as you thereafter.

Does anyone think this really gives away your hand too much and causes opponents to slow down?