Purposely making mistakes...then playing like EVERYONE else.

[DcifrThs]

uber loose passive heaven of a game.

im virtually the only person raising preflop other than one or two others.

i get 7h6h in the bb and 8 people limp. sb completes i raise. all call.

flop comes Ad8c4h. i check, UTG bets 2 fold. i call.

turn 8h. i check utg bets 1 fold. i call.

river 3c. i check.

comments? ive become rusty on strategy in games like this. i feel that they would probably have come anyway and paid off a checkraise late even if i didn't raise. so i'm not "luring" anybody for the later streets...just building a nice large pot should i win with my drawing hand...

too much??

-Barron

[Michael Davis]

If you expect them to come along anyway, I can't see a real good reason to raise with this hand.

-Michael

[DcifrThs]

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If you expect them to come along anyway, I can't see a real good reason to raise with this hand.

-Michael

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im getting 9:1 on my raise and often collect 6-9 big bets later on in the hand when i hit. but if they come anyway, why raise i guess? right? at the moment i thought id like to build a real large pot...but its pointless to do so when it'll cost too much to get the same desired effect.

another reason i think its bad is b/c if there are hands like q5s, k6s and the like out there then my hand loses some value and, by extension, the raise also loses some value.

just want to see if anybody would do it for the sole purpose of building a very large pot.

-Barron

[Michael Davis]

I think building a large pot is all well and good, but I think you knew the answer yourself when you said they were coming anyways. If my opponents are just as likely to call checkraises in $2 pots as $1000 pots, you would prefer to play the $2 pots all day with a hand like 76, no?

-Michael

[Enon]

I think there is something to be said for keeping more people around for even more bets on later rounds. By making the pot bigger, someone who would have seen the river for one more big bet, might cold call a raise on the turn that they wouldn't have otherwise.

I cannot see the downside of building the pot preflop with this many people in there and your ability as a solid player to get away from this hand easily.

[DcifrThs]

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I cannot see the downside of building the pot preflop with this many people in there

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it costs me an extra small bet. but if it comes A72rb and the same situation arises im caling also...but NOW if i hit, i want higher pairs to go away and give me the large pot on the turn as my hand is vulnerable and may lose collectively, like high limit stud on 5th, eliminating hands that have some outs even though individually they'd be making a mistake in calling, collectively they beat you and the pot is big...

also if you flush, the flush can be beat by t2s etc...

thus the title of the post...i KNOW i'm making a small mistake (1/2bb)...but is the gain worth it? is there a gain?

-Barron

[Michael Davis]

In general, I just don't agree with the advice in HPFAP on sometimes raising this hand. I have never seen a game where seven people were seeing flops and most of them played well postflop. Generally, if seven people are seeing the flop, most of them suck pretty bad and are sticking around postflop with a lot of junk no matter how big the pot.

-Michael

[DcifrThs]

this wasn't taken from HPFAP....it was a heat of the moment, "hey, wait a tic...oye think oye can ween a monsta, heah"

-Barron

[Michael Davis]

You could also win a monster if you philanthropically tossed a $1000 chip from your own stack into the pot... /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[DcifrThs]

i also knew it was a mistake as i said. but keep hounding me and maybe i'll learn...
-Barron

[Michael Davis]

You have nothing to learn from me. It's the other way around.

-Michael

[astroglide]

if 8 people limped i would raise that pretty much every time, just because i can. with loose opponents it's probably around breakeven EV-wise but people remember freaky raises out of the blinds very much.