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Schneids
06-23-2004, 03:54 AM
Day Forty (June 21, 2004) and Day Forty One (June 22, 2004) -- 06.23.04, 01:45

I am a broken record player because all I ever have to begin these journals with is something along the lines of "I run so streaky bla bla bla yesterday I wanted to pull my hair out today I cannot remember what it feels like to lose bla bla bla what is going through some peoples' minds as they play this game?" It's the same story, and I know I'm growing to accept it better since now I can joke about it where as before I'd feel it. Well ok, losing hands on 4 tables at once to river jobs isn't fun, and winning four hands at once on four tables will still bring a smile to my face -- but overall, it is getting easier and easier to look at this bad boy as a long-run game.

Monday started off very well. I played four 15/30 full tables for an hour and a half in the afternoon and won $1290. I played at night for an hour, was down $639.50, took a short break, played another hour, lost another $1176.50, took a break and gave satellites some more tries (won my entry into the million guaranteed on my first try, as well as an entry into a $150 tourney which I used this past night), took a short break to research the extra starting chips deal for the Party million guaranteed, and screamed when I found out it'll take 10,000 raked hands before 11pm central time Friday to get the full extra T1000. So, with around $450 sitting in my Party account, I dicked around on four 1/2 six-max tables for 20 minutes while trying to decide whether I wanted to add money into Party and sacrifice some rake rebate dollars I could earn by sticking with Empire the next four days, then tried out a 3/6 bad beat jackpot table that had 5 players on it for 15 minutes and made a quick $60 score there, and finally decided I'd deposit $4000 into Party and hope that'll last me in 10/20. I played a little 10/20 then for about 30 minutes with my Party name, was up $340, and finally decided to call it a night, finishing the day down $186 with about 4.5 hours of play.

I know it's kind of late now, but one thing I wish I would have done better during this quest was to get on a more consistent schedule. I think it's too easy to break away from exceptionally bad or good sessions when I haven't mandated any set, day-to-day playing times for me and some nights stay up until 1am playing, and other nights 6am. And, even though I'm a night person, I still hate the fact that when I'm up until 6am or later it usually means I'm trying to get myself out of bed at 12:30, and finally succeed at getting up sometime around 2. Call it a sacrifice that comes with this "job" if you like, but I'll call it a pain.

I also wonder whether these journals would have been better or worse if I'd have made them more personal -- be it simply larger summaries of my day outside of poker, or more descript/emotional/thorough accounts of events in my personal life, or social commentary and opinions on hot current events -- since thus far I've opted to usually give short summaries and talk about more universally relatable topics such as sports whenever I've delved away from poker... I dunno, it's just so easy to get absorbed in poker and sometimes neglect the rest of the world around us. A world with people dying every day in war, and a world that finally has a successful commuter space ship. I think I'm going in this direction because I've realized lately if I have free time, it's going to poker more and more, and even if I can claim to be aware of the world, there's still the fact that twoplustwo receives more of my reading time than cnn.com, or espn.com, or imdb.com, or any other source of information. I guess this all serves as a self-reminder that in striving to become the best I can in one disciple, it's equally important to keep equilibrium with the other aspects of my life. // End non-cohesive mini-rant.

I suppose it's fitting that my mini-rant comes on a day where it feels like all I've done is wake up, shower, eat, and play poker. Sure, I've done a little more than that, but not much.

Since I'm barely clinging onto a Top 40 position in the Empire VIP race, I decided to go wild this afternoon and try something new to me: 6-tabling. I played four 10/20 6-max tables with my Party account, and two 15/30 full tables with my Empire account. I honestly don't think this effort will be enough to keep me in the top 40 the next three days (if I continue to do it this way), but hopefully it'll keep me within striking range to get back into the top 40 by the end of June. Anyway, I am now in love with this 6-tabling structure! In my first session, I played from about 3:30 to 5:00, and was up $848.50, then played another 45 minutes before the "Super Tuesday Night NL" tournament and was up $1005.50, played the tourney (which I will talk about more momentarily), took a short break then played for another three hours finishing up $651.50 in the third session, putting me up $2505.50 with about 5.25 hours. For what it is worth, $1850 of the win came from 10/20 6-max and the rest from 15/30 full tables.

Anyway, I was aiming to use this tournament tonight as some practice for the million guaranteed. I think I was successful in doing just that. Early on, I blew about 400 chips on stupidity (all of the tourney hands will be coming from memory): The blinds were 15/30 I believe, and there was 1 EP limp, and the SB completed. I had A8 in my BB, and the flop was ace-high. I bet something like T40 or T50, and EP called. The turn brought another ace and I bet something like T80, and got raised the minimum. I called. The river was a blank and I checked and called the T200 bet, and lost to EP's A9. I think it would have been better to just let this hand go instead of pouring ~T400 into it. A little after this, I made a straight against a set of 9's and doubled up to get back to T1300. This shows how chip preservation is important in tourneys because if I wouldn't have dumped T400 in that other hand, I would have been sitting at T2000 with my straight hand and been in good position at the time (average was around T1300). Later, I got JJ in MP2. MP1 limped, I made it T300 to go (blinds 50/100), and MP1 moved all in (and had me covered). He had been playing tight, so I mucked. A couple hands later in my BB, I was dealt 99. The button open limped, SB folded, and I was very suspicious of the button open limp, so I checked (mistake? Nate asked a similar question in this type of situation in the MTT forum and opinions varied, so I'm still not sure about it). The flop came 854 and I checked, button bet the minimum, I raised him another 200, he moved all in, and I folded, leaving myself with T625 or so. Next rotation, I won a hand from my BB with AT flopping a ten, so I found myself with T1000 again. This was short lived though since I had KK run into AA (who luckily only had T425), and I died shortly after this making a desperation open raise with A8 that lost to 99. The only other interesting hand for me was when 10 minutes in, I was dealt AKo on the button and there were two limpers, and an MP raise to 200, in which I mucked... I wonder if this tournament would have went any different had I pushed all in, been called, and won the hand?

I think I'm going to try to win an entry into the PPM IIII satellite now, and then get to bed an hour or two earlier than last night's 6am bedtime...

Total for Day 40: -$186
Total for Day 41: $2,505.50
Goal to date after 41 days: $27,508.24/$60,000

ThePopinjay
06-23-2004, 05:12 AM
I have the same problem of staying up way too late, getting up late, then playing poker at odd intervals. I think I should start doing something like sleep at midnight, get up at 9. Put in 2 hours in the morning, 2 hours in the afternoon and 2 hours at night. With poker stuff like this is so hard though because when you're running hot you just dont want to quit. Conversely, running bad makes you want to quit. I guess the key is to approach poker emotionless in a jedi-like manner. I bet Yoda would pwn PartyPoker.

Vehn
06-23-2004, 05:38 AM
as someone who does this full time or should I say exclusively for income, I have completely given up on keeping a regular schedule. Personally it is impossible for me to fall asleep and wake up at a regular time. My body needs a 28 hour day. The alternative is to like use an alarm but that would suck? Anyways just give up and sleep/wake up whenever your body feels like it. About once a month I stay up all night/day and reset. Thats just the way I work and I'm not gonna change it by pining about how effed up my schedule is.

Schneids
06-23-2004, 06:03 AM
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My body needs a 28 hour day.

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You can say that again! (Look I'm still wide awake even though I said I'd try for bed early)

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The alternative is to like use an alarm but that would suck?

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Hahah most days I do.

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About once a month I stay up all night/day and reset.

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I've tried doing that once so far this Summer. It worked for awhile.

illunious
06-23-2004, 06:06 AM
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My body needs a 28 hour day. The alternative is to like use an alarm but that would suck? Anyways just give up and sleep/wake up whenever your body feels like it. About once a month I stay up all night/day and reset.

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I can relate to that. I prefer the 26 hour day.

By the way, Vehn, Schneids, I am moving to Minneapolis in August. It would be cool to meet you guys.

Filip
06-23-2004, 10:20 AM
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as someone who does this full time or should I say exclusively for income, I have completely given up on keeping a regular schedule. Personally it is impossible for me to fall asleep and wake up at a regular time. My body needs a 28 hour day. The alternative is to like use an alarm but that would suck? Anyways just give up and sleep/wake up whenever your body feels like it. About once a month I stay up all night/day and reset. Thats just the way I work and I'm not gonna change it by pining about how effed up my schedule is.

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Damn this i scary... its like a description of me.

jasonHoldEm
06-23-2004, 11:00 AM
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I can relate to that. I prefer the 26 hour day.

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I'm the same way...I think there was a study done where test subjects were placed in a windowless and clockless environment (not unlike a casino if you think about it) for a month and the researchers monitored their sleeping habits. Virtually all of the subjects in the study adjusted to a 26 hour day. We just need to slow down the rotation of the earth a little bit and life would be perfect.

J

Tosh
06-23-2004, 12:26 PM
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as someone who does this full time or should I say exclusively for income, I have completely given up on keeping a regular schedule. Personally it is impossible for me to fall asleep and wake up at a regular time. My body needs a 28 hour day. The alternative is to like use an alarm but that would suck? Anyways just give up and sleep/wake up whenever your body feels like it. About once a month I stay up all night/day and reset. Thats just the way I work and I'm not gonna change it by pining about how effed up my schedule is.

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I'm glad I'm not alone. I normally do the up all night reset and fall asleep at 4:30pm though.

SlickRick
06-23-2004, 01:38 PM
I go to bed around 4:00 am every night and get up around noon or so. If the games are extra juicy I might try to put in a little extra time in but having a semi normal sleep schedule helps me live a semi normal lifestyle.

Mikey2k4
06-23-2004, 03:50 PM
Who do you have to wake up for? It's not like you have classes right now or anything. If you have a gf or something, that might be understandable.

Just eat and sleep whenever you're hungry or tired. Your body will probably be better off this way, anyway. In college, I used to have six-day weeks because I'd "miss" one night of sleeping, having been on a 28 hour day instead of that old-fashioned 24 hour one. It's fine - just live like that for a while.

In addition, you get to meet all sorts of interesting people if you go out to eat late at night. You also get those fun times of going to bed at ten in the morning. Just roll with it and make sure that it doesn't affect your game.

goodguy_1
06-23-2004, 10:11 PM
I reset about every 2-3 weeks.This is after one or two days where my cycle has gone so awry that I'm waking up at 3pm/4pm in the afternoon.This happens because I regularly will stay up later and later as the cycle progresses.I start out going to bed at say 3am which slowly evolves to 6am,8am etc.fuggin vampire hours
Only way to reset is to stay up the next day 30 hours.But even when you reset the following few nite's sleep is often not good.

Vehn
06-23-2004, 10:31 PM
ya I hear you.

MicroBob
06-23-2004, 10:37 PM
i read this or a similar study awhile ago. except i remember it as being exactly a 25-hour day for the subjects.
they were just told to go to bed and wake-up whenever it felt comfortable for them....not to try to stay up late or get up early, or try to figure out what time it was, etc..

they would consistently stay up 1 hour later and go to bed 1 hour later each day. there would be a guard at the door who would take their order for meals. frequently, the subjects were ordering breakfast food after having just woken up even though it was 8 p.m. or something.

the guards had to keep incredibly irregular schedules as well so as to prevent the subjects from determining the 'real' time (if they all had 6 or 8 hour shifts it would get to be prety obvious).

they would be delivered newspapers or magazines as was their preference.....and also could watch various TV programs that would be taped.

one guy said he had no idea most of the time....but one of the guards was there totally hung-over one time and the subject was able to determine that it was definately early morning because that guy was coming off a pretty rough night.

one guy lasted as long as 6 months in the window-less environment...but most of the subjects were sick of it after a month like jason said.

Ponks
06-23-2004, 10:39 PM
Yea, I remember learning about this in psychology class. I forgot the exact term for it though, but it was a 25 hour cycle. Interesting stuff.

Ponks

Blarg
06-23-2004, 10:54 PM
I'm the same way, but I work regular daylight hours, and often get in trouble for being late. No matter how tired I am, I can't sleep until 2 a.m. or later...sometimes much later. Then on Saturday I catch up a bit by sleeping till noon. But not enough.

One of the big attractions of poker as a lifestyle if I could get that reliably good would be control over my sleeping habits so I wouldn't be so exhausted all the time. Except when I'm perky as hell, around 8 p.m. to midnight. :P

Cosimo
06-23-2004, 11:48 PM
In non-sleep news, thanks for continuing this journal, Schneids. I really enjoy seeing what others are up to, and it also serves as a motivator for me. It's hard for me to sit at the tables when I'm losing, and to play again the day after a big loss.

I have no poker advice. =)

In sleep-news, I prefer 25 or 26 hour days, but I have a day job and they frown on not showing up at the 'right' hours.

Baulucky
06-24-2004, 08:21 AM
Hello again Schneids. Look at this:

30+
31-
32+
33-
34+
35-
36+
37-
38-
39+
40-
41+

I didn't bother looking further back than day 30.(Mulligan and all that).

It may be nothing OR it may be a sharper/looser 2 day psychological cycle, i.e.: You lose one day, play sharper make $, relax and loosen next day lose $, etc.

Only you can tell for sure. I know I would look into it if someone pointed it out at me.

Thanks again for writing these updates and thanks for the tips.

samz
06-24-2004, 04:01 PM
In reference to sleep -

I find that poker screws up my sleep because of the adrenaline that gets pumping from playing.

Let's face it - its a powerful rush - and trying to go to sleep right after a night of playing is hard for a lot of people. This might have a bigger impact that 26hr cycle etc. Just a thought.

Take a look at "signs that you are playing too much" - not that there is anything wrong with it.
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Sam

Ponks
06-24-2004, 04:11 PM
I've kinda noticed this too, although with the writing. Whenever Scheids says he doesn't really feel like playing, or he's not feeling well, or he's really tired, I always see it followed by and I was down $600 for the session in the first 30 mins or something. Sorry for the run-on sentence.

Ponks

J_V
06-24-2004, 04:54 PM
Reset day really sucks though. Its the only way to do it. A regular schedule doesn't work for a poker player.

Vehn
06-24-2004, 08:51 PM
I went to bed at 9am yesterday and woke up at 6pm. Good times..

Ulysses
06-24-2004, 08:55 PM
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I went to bed at 9am yesterday and woke up at 6pm. Good times..

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What'd you do after that? Take a picture of your bankroll for the net, remember you already did that, so go with screenshots of PokerTracker? HAHAHAHA. Olé!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jwvdcw
06-24-2004, 10:33 PM
As for your guys strange sleeping habbits....do some more excercise. Hit the weights 4 times a week, and do cardio every day...that should make you tired enough to fall asleep every 24 hours.

morgant
06-25-2004, 05:40 PM
link please......

i do a reset roughly once every couple weeks. i can only play live poker about that often. so when i hit the casinos. first night is all night, sleep around 9am, return at 6ish and play through till next day for a regular sleep night. but i am usually crushed the following day.

Schneids
06-25-2004, 06:09 PM
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link please......

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Ulysses' most recent reference (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=776823&page=1&view=expand ed&sb=5&o=14&fpart=1#776823)

Blarg
06-25-2004, 10:49 PM
I used to work out 20 to 30 hours a week, easily, and earned two black belts in two different martial arts. I had just as much trouble falling asleep then.

Different people's biology just works differently. My dad got up roaring and happy as a clam at 6:00 in the morning even on weekends when still young, and thought everyone else who didn't was some kind of weirdo.

goodguy_1
07-05-2004, 10:10 PM
exercising is not the answer.I know because for the last 2 months I've been doing Sprint Triathlons every other weekend.I hope to do a 1/2 Ironman in maybe 6 months..I come from a swimming background so I said what the hey.In a regular week I run about 12 miles,bike 60 miles and swim about 10-12K yards..not a big deal but it will get you in shape and its fun to do.

With all this you'd think my hours would regulate but they dont because my schedule no matter what revolves around my poker results to be honest.

I went to bed today at 11am and got up at 6pm.I just ran at 9pm.

I've been running in the morning because it's cool-important here in steamy florida but usually this is after playing all night.
I train with this 53 woman who is an Xtera National champ -she sold me my new bike..she laughs at me when I explain how screwy my hours are.

The rest of my family know that I've made my living from poker going on this my 4th full year.They know not to call my before 11amish unless it is very important...I would like to go to bed at 2am/3am est and get up at 9am/10am as a set schedule but I rarely maintain this for more then 2-3 days.I have always been a nite person since I was a teenager.
Having crappy hours is ok if you live alone and dont spend alot of time with others...BUT If you start to socialize with non-players regularly your funky schedule will definetly become a major issue.

Exercise will only help you regulate your hours and make sleeping easier IF you maintain some semblance of regularity in your sleeping schedule.

My first race the last week in May in Orlando I could not fuggin sleep before the race-I got 2 hours of sleep.The next weekend I went down to Miami and signed up for 5 more races over the next 2-3 months.That night also I tossed and turned and slept like maybe an hour from 4:30 am-5:30 am.I almost thought about not going to the race -scared of injuring myself.I actually did injure myself-swimmer's shoulder from overtraining and most probably lack of sleep.

One of the reason I grind stakes lower than I need to is to help me deal with the ups and downs of poker as a career.When I step it up and play higher I notice my hours get much worse because my results are more erratic.No matter what my hours are always in flux....Is it worth it??Right now poker offers me great flexibilty with my time and decent money but sometimes I think I may be kidding myself about the "flexibilty" concept.

I love to play the game..but at times I do feel like a hostage to the lifestyle:eratic hours and self-centered schedule.It may not be worth it unless you can mix non-poker and poker life in equal portions..

oh well..in the meantime I just play on..