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SaintAces

06-22-2004, 07:55 PM

How did I play these hands? There are a few I am unsure of, and I think there are a few that are pretty clear-cut. 

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 max, 4 handed)

Button ($91.44)
SB ($42.70)
Our Hero ($67)
UTG ($115)

Preflop: Our Hero is BB with 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls $2, Button folds, SB completes, Our Hero checks.

Flop: ($6) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Our Hero bets $10, UTG raises to $55, SB folds, Our Hero raises to $65 (All-In), UTG calls $10.

Turn: ($136) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($136) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $136
Main Pot: $136, between Our Hero and UTG. > Pot won by UTG ($136).

Results in white below: 
Our Hero shows 6h 4d (two pair, fours and twos).
UTG shows Ah Ac (two pair, aces and twos).
Outcome: UTG wins $136. 

 I think UTG played this hand horribly. He slowplayed a very vulnerable hand and got lucky it paid off. This UTG was a VERY tight player, so there was no way I could put him on that hand. 

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 max, 6 handed)

MP ($116)
CO ($86.25)
Button ($81.40)
Our Hero ($78.40)
BB ($98.25)
UTG ($141.50)

Preflop: Our Hero is SB with 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls $2, MP calls $2, CO calls $2, Button calls $2, Our Hero raises to $14, BB calls $12, UTG folds, MP folds, CO calls $12, Button folds.

Flop: ($48) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Our Hero bets $25, BB folds, CO folds.

Final Pot: $73
Main Pot: $48, won by Our Hero.
Pot 2: $25, returned to Our Hero.

Results in white below: 
No showdown. Our Hero wins $73. 

 I think the open raise here is very good. After telling the table my cards, they disagreed. I have no idea why, however I had two suited cards that had the potential to be very deceptive. 

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 max, 5 handed)

MP ($122.30)
Button ($86)
SB ($73.40)
Our Hero ($105.40)
UTG ($100.25)

Preflop: Our Hero is BB with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls $2, mackerel folds, MP folds, Button calls $2, SB completes, Our Hero raises to $5, UTG calls $3, Button calls $3, SB calls $3.

Flop: ($20) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Our Hero checks, UTG checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($20) K/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
SB bets $2, Our Hero folds, UTG folds, Button folds.

Final Pot: $22
Main Pot: $20, won by SB.
Pot 2: $2, returned to SB.

Results in white below: 
No showdown. SB wins $22. 

 I feel I made a poor fold here. The SB made such a small bet which to me meant possible weakness. I think a call or maybe a raise was in order. My hand was not strong enough to slowplay, but I think I could have made money that hand. 

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $2 (6 max, 6 handed)

SB ($118.30)
BB ($179)
UTG ($91)
Our Hero ($69.40)
CO ($30.25)
Button ($131)

Preflop:Our Hero is dealt: 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG folds, Our Hero raises to $7, CO raises to $30.25 (All-In), Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, Our Hero calls $23.25.

Flop: ($63.50) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($63.50) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($63.50) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $63.50
Main Pot: $63.50, between Our Hero and CO. > Pot won by CO ($63.50).

Results in white below: 
Our Hero shows 4h Ts (one pair, fours).
CO shows Ac Jc (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: CO wins $63.50. 

 When I said there are some clear cut hands in this post, you all can probably tell that this is one of them. I had the odds to call. When I flopped my pair, I thought it was good, but he got lucky and won the hand. 

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 max, 6 handed)

Button ($117.30)
SB ($177)
BB ($91)
Our Hero ($39.15)
MP ($63.50)
CO ($131)

Preflop: Our Hero is UTG with 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
Our Hero raises to $39.15 (All-In), MP calls $39.15, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds.

Flop: ($81.30) T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($81.30) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($81.30) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $81.30
Main Pot: $81.30, between Our Hero and MP. > Pot won by MP ($81.30).

Results in white below: 
Our Hero shows 2s Ah (one pair, sixes).
MP shows Qs Th (two pair, tens and sixes).
Outcome: MP wins $81.30. 

 Good play, bad beat? I think I played it perfectly. 

 Thanks in advanced for the advice!

Richie Rich

06-22-2004, 08:09 PM

Tom- Not trying to get on your case, but I think that you played ALL of these hands HORRIBLY. You either went all-in with poor/mediocre (at best) cards, and in one other hand you didn't call a $2 bet in a $20 pot.

Also your stacks were relatively short in each of the case hands...did you constantly buy-in short and go all-in frequently, or were you being consistently being beaten? Do you consider yourself a good (short-handed) poker player? Do you regularly watch Celebrity Poker Tournaments?

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SaintAces

06-22-2004, 08:17 PM

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Tom- Not trying to get on your case, but I think that you played ALL of these hands HORRIBLY. You either went all-in with poor/mediocre (at best) cards, and in one other hand you didn't call a $2 bet in a $20 pot.

Also your stacks were relatively short in each of the case hands...did you constantly buy-in short and go all-in frequently, or were you being consistently being beaten? Do you consider yourself a good (short-handed) poker player? Do you regularly watch Celebrity Poker Tournaments?

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 I am a fan of playing the small stack. I feel it enables me to win the most money if I get a big hand.

On the one hand I folded for 2$ in a 20$ pot, I am beggining to think I played it well. I was likely drawing dead to pocket eights for quads or drawing dead against a full house.

I do consider myself a very good player who occassionally gets unlucky. I make a few mistakes such as the ones in these hands. But other than these small and correctable mistakes, I am usually a solid player.

I do enjoy celebrity poker, as you CAN recieve good tips from the better players.

Thanks a lot for the reply,
Tom

riverboatking

06-22-2004, 08:56 PM

lol. this is a joke right?

Toddster18

06-22-2004, 09:00 PM

Richie-

In case you haven't figured it out yet, the joke is one you. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

BadBeatTom - I hope you just edited hand histories and didn't actually lose all that money just to be able to make the funny post! /images/graemlins/smile.gif.

-Todd

SaintAces

06-22-2004, 10:04 PM

I am just looking for some helpful straightforward advice!

Hiding

06-23-2004, 12:15 AM

So........when do you play and where?

SaintAces

06-23-2004, 12:18 AM

I usually play at 8 eastern to 12 eastern.

Why do you care?

SaintAces

06-24-2004, 02:56 PM

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Zag

06-24-2004, 03:08 PM

I am starting to think you are joking, especially with this remark: "I do enjoy celebrity poker, as you CAN recieve good tips from the better players." but I'll pretend you are serious. (Which better players are those?)

Hand 1: "This UTG was a VERY tight player, so there was no way I could put him on [AA]" The overbet raise of your overbet on the flop didn't tip you off? Your bet out on the flop is ok, though it doesn't seem necessary to have overbet the pot. $5 at a $5.70 pot would have been plenty. When he raised you big, this was an easy fold.

Hand 2: Our Hero is SB with 72s. several limpers, Our Hero raises to $14 ... Were you drunk? On tilt? Did you really think you could steal it after 4 limpers? Deceptive cards are great, but they should have a decent chance of hitting something. When you did get your miracle flop, you didn't bother trying to use the deceptive value, you just bet out!

Hand 3: Ok, this is getting silly. I guess you were joking.

t_petrosian

06-24-2004, 03:34 PM

1st hand - I don't think he played horribly ... he won a $136 pot. I would be worried not raising the pot in multiway action, but shorthanded like this, I'm not sure it's "horrible" to limp UTG for a few reasons - Possible reraise if it comes back around and total deception. Finally, unless I read it wrong, he would have you beat even with 74, right?

2nd hand - a million monkey with one million typewriters and one million years - eventually they will write a novel. 72 is simply an atrocious hand to play, deception or otherwise. All those limpers, you are lucky you bumped someone out. Further, you're lucky you flopped to it. Anyway, just because you flopped to it and luckily caught the flop, that doesn't excuse you.

3rd hand - either I read it wrong or you're stoned. Did you raise with that J7s???? If you interpret small bets as "weak" simply by virtue of the small bet, let's play together sometime!!

4th Hand - ok...now I'm getting REALLY frustrated. Is this a joke or are you serious????!??!?!?! You raised in early position with T4offsuit???? Your comment at the end is hilarious - the one about the pot odds. If you dump tons of money into a pot on a totally losing hand, at the end you may actually have the pot odds to call ONE bet. Look at your overall odds of what you threw into the pot, however. This is ridiculous. I'm dreading looking at the next hand.

Final hand - UTG all-in raise with A2offsuit??? Perfect play?? Holy toledo. I am now convinced that I wasted my time posting these comments on a bad joke. IF, however, you are not joking, I recommend another pursuit...non-competitive, preferably.

In summary, REVIEW YOUR GOD DAMNED STARTING REQUIREMENTS!!!! PICK UP Sklansky's BEGINNER book for Hold 'Em, you are NOT ready for HPFAP.

t_petrosian

06-24-2004, 03:44 PM

Ok...now I'm replying to my own post! The joke IS on me....

I was a little suspect when an "addict" posted these hands. Thanks for the laugh....people in my office were wondering why I was laughing outloud reading these comments....

t_petrosian

06-24-2004, 03:48 PM

OMG!!! I just became a JOURNEYMAN.....how did this happen?

SaintAces

06-24-2004, 03:54 PM

Party hand number:

694827334
694837305
694838808

 this is what happens when you play cards with a .25 alcohol level... and yes, the post was a joke, but the hands weren't. (by the way, the money is chump change, I usually play the 200$ sit an gos for fun. I decided to play in this room to have some fun and put guys on tilt /images/graemlins/wink.gif

t_petrosian

06-24-2004, 03:57 PM

Alcohol is bad for my poker, too. I usually don't play the crap that you do, but I try to out-aggressive people and get pot committed...just not a good mix.

I also find I can't play worth crap at work when I'm answering phones and trying to run a business. Poker is irritating, because you have to concentrate...well, especially nl.

I should go back to chess and play my 1-2-3, no concentration game...

top2pear

06-24-2004, 05:37 PM

Tom, you obviously don't need me to tell you this, but that was a finely crafted post. It's one of the very few i've read on this forum that did NOT clarify my utter lack of knowledge about the great game of polka. So, i feeled kinda good reading it (thinking at first, "Hey, i'm not the only moron around here who don't know how to play AK out of position") AND i feeled kinda good knowing it was a joke by the time i finished.

SaintAces

06-24-2004, 06:19 PM

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