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Guido

06-21-2004, 08:09 PM

Hi all,

I started playing 6-max last week for a couple of reasons. First of all to improve my SH game and especially my blind play. I'm terrible in defending my blinds and stealing with maginal hands. Second, I have a better game selection at 6-max games during the daytime (Europe) than at full ring games. And the third reason is that I just want to learn something different after playing thousands of hands at full ring games.

I've already talked with some good and regular posters in this forum (thanks again for helping me out) and it seemed my postflop play isn't that bad, but I have to defend my blinds more, complete more in the SB and steal more in LP. Tonight I played for the first time after talking with them and here are a couple of hands I would like your opinion on. Most of them are probably very boring. Sorry about that but I'm just beginning.

I will make 3 posts. One with some hands where I played in the blinds, one about blind stealing and one with some normal hands.

 Hand 1 

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed)

Preflop: Guido is BB with T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
1 fold, MP raises, 2 folds, Guido calls,

Flop: (4.40 SB) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Guido checks, MP bets, Guido folds.

Final Pot: 2.70 BB

Normally I would muck this but is this a hand I can defend with when I think it's a steal?

 Hand 2 

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed)

Preflop: Guido is BB with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
3 folds, SB completes, Guido checks,

Flop: (2 SB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Guido bets, SB calls.

Turn: (2 BB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
SB bets, Guido calls.

River: (4 BB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Guido bets, SB calls.

Final Pot: 6 BB

Hand 3 

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed)

Preflop: Guido is BB with 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
3 folds, Button raises, 1 fold, Guido calls,

Flop: (4.40 SB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Guido bets, Button calls.

Turn: (3.20 BB) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Guido bets, Button calls.

River: (5.20 BB) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Guido bets, Button folds.

Final Pot: 6.20 BB

 Hand 4 

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed)

Preflop: Guido is BB with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
3 folds, Button raises, 1 fold, Guido 3-bets, Button calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Guido bets, Button calls.

Turn: (4.20 BB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Guido checks, Button bets, Guido calls.

River: (6.20 BB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Guido bets, Button folds.

Final Pot: 7.20 BB

 Hand 5 

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 4 handed)

Preflop: Guido is SB with 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, 1 fold, Guido raises, 1 fold, UTG calls.

Flop: (5 SB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Guido bets, UTG folds.

Final Pot: 3 BB

 Hand 6 

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed)

Preflop: Guido is BB with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, 3 folds, SB completes, Guido checks,

Flop: (3 SB) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Guido bets, UTG calls, SB calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Guido bets, UTG folds, SB calls.

River: (5 BB) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Guido bets, SB calls.

Final Pot: 7 BB

 Hand 7 

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed)

Preflop: Guido is BB with 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, 1 fold, Button raises, 1 fold, Guido 3-bets, UTG calls, Button calls.

Flop: (9.40 SB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
Guido bets, UTG calls, Button calls.

Turn: (6.20 BB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Guido bets, UTG folds, Button calls.

River: (8.20 BB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Guido checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 8.20 BB

 Hand 8

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed)

Preflop: Guido is BB with 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
3 folds, Button raises, 1 fold, Guido calls,

Flop: (4.40 SB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Guido checks, Button bets, Guido folds.

Final Pot: 2.70 BB

Thanks,

Guido

Vehn

06-21-2004, 08:22 PM

1: fold preflop. I call here against CO raises.

2: ok?

3: ok? I usually checkraise.

4: eh? What are you doing?

5: ok?

6: ok?

7: check here is probably for the best but then again these guys will call with anything on the river and you can easily let it go for a raise.

8: I never let this go here on a flop like this without a fight.

Guido

06-21-2004, 08:35 PM

1) Ok, but when you suspect a steal even from an MP? It seems that you think it's good enough when you think it's a steal right?

3) Good point

4) I'm defending /images/graemlins/grin.gif, not good? Why not?

8) Yeah a little to easy but would you check-raise the flop? Bet the flop? Call the flop?

Thanks,

Guido

Frogger

06-21-2004, 08:38 PM

Vehn,

Why would he checkraise on Hand #3 when there's an OESD on board. 34568.. All someone needs is a 2 or a seven and he has the 2 pair destroyed. I think that's a check/call situation. You don't want to cost yourself 3 bets if you checkraise into a hand that has you beat and you don't want to cost yourself an additional bet by betting into him. I've experienced a few pretty bad suckouts lately so my opinion may be a little skewed.

Hand 4, the only thing I see wrong is his turn play. He checked and then called a bet instead of checkraising. That's it from me.

Guido

06-21-2004, 08:40 PM

Vehn is talking about check-raising the turn.

Guido

Vehn

06-21-2004, 08:43 PM

No on hand 3 I would checkraise the flop and bet all streets minus an ace.

Vehn

06-21-2004, 08:44 PM

I think KTo is too weak to defend against typical player's button+2 open raises.

Vehn

06-21-2004, 08:46 PM

Hand 8 with a decent ace here I only call (vs. 3-betting) preflop with the intention of checkraising any favorable flop i.e. one non ace playing zone card (9-K). I 3 bet preflop 50+% of the time though.

Peter_rus

06-22-2004, 01:13 AM

1 - fine.
2 - raise turn
3 - better - check-raise flop.
4 - i like check-raising sometimes turn like this - but never check-calling. Why raise river when you call turn?
5 - very nice
6 - i would like check-call turn depending on texture of game.
7 - check-fold on turn but not always - sometimes i would do same way as you.
8 - i like check-raise/fold if 3-betted on such hands. Another option - 3-bet PF lead flop.

Peter_rus

06-22-2004, 01:19 AM

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Why would he checkraise on Hand #3 when there's an OESD on board.

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Because it's very probable that he's ahead and thats why - opponent must pay for his high card's draw.

Guido

06-22-2004, 04:36 AM

1) Why do you think it's ok to defend with KTo after a MP raise?
2) Why do you want to raise the turn?
3) Ok, I understand that, but is defending with 45s ok?
4) I've no idea what I was thinking.
5) Ok
6) Why? And what texture would that be?
7) Ok
8) Ok

Thanks,

Guido

Peter_rus

06-22-2004, 05:20 AM

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1) Why do you think it's ok to defend with KTo after a MP raise?

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Because it's nice hand and only one raiser against you. If there were caller - i probably fold but not always. He can have 77-AA, AK-AT, KQ and some tricky hands some people likes that you ahead of. So i have odds to call. I'd like not to overrate effect of domination - it's not full game and domination doesn't so improtant.

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Ok, I understand that, but is defending with 45s ok?

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I defend always with any suited connector cause they have the best chances to get big pot from huge hands like AA etc. But i consider myself commonly more loosy player on blind and at all than the most part of this site.

Guido

06-22-2004, 05:46 AM

When you think he will raise 77-AA, AK-AT, KQ then I think you should fold this. He has to raise with a lot more worse hand to make a call correct IMO. And would a normal player do that in MP? That's the question...

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So i have odds to call.

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Uhm, this means nothing in this context.

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I defend always with any suited connector cause they have the best chances to get big pot from huge hands like AA etc.

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It's HU and I don't think the pot will be that big most of the time. When I know he has a high PP I wouldn't think about calling for just a second. He has to be stealing or he has to have high cards to make a call correct IMO.

I don't think being loose in the blinds is bad but you give wrong reasons...

Guido

Peter_rus

06-22-2004, 06:58 AM

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When you think he will raise 77-AA, AK-AT, KQ then I think you should fold this.

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Against 77-99 i can catch pair 1/3 of time
Against TT-QQ i can catch higher pair 1/6 of time
Against AK,AT,KQ i can catch non dominated pair 1/6 of time
Against AJ,AQ i i can catch pair 1/3 of time
Against AA,KK i suck
Assuming pair is twice less probability then 2 diff cards and also reduced probability for having him K or T in hand (regardles suited or unsuited) count:

(3*1/3 +2.5*1/6+ 4.5*1/6+4*1/3) / 15.5 equals 0,23 of my win so i have odds 1:3.42 - add here my straight enhansed ability and him reduced because of many pocket pairs and also add some hands like KJs,QJs etc and you will definately get your pot odds higher than 1:3.2

Also you position penalty would be much rewarded by him usual autobet raise on flop.

Guido

06-22-2004, 07:36 AM

I have no idea how you get this equation but you seem to forget that when you are behind you lose a lot more most of the time than you win when you are in front.

Guido

Peter_rus

06-22-2004, 07:51 AM

Maybe you're right - i don't like to count much penalty for position while HU because of almost auto raise (which will come immediately always) after preflop raise always makes raiser on flop like a blind. Many also call my reraise giving so me 2 extra SB for free when i'm ahead. If you count this you will find that your odds will grow. How much? And isn't it enough? Time will show - i will try.