Flopping the nut straight early on with a possible four flush

[spacemonkey57]

This is a hand from a UB 5+.50 that I'm still playing in. I flopped the nut straight. Was the pot size raise on the turn too much too soon? I didn't want to let two diamonds draw cheaply, but I would have liked to make more off of this. Anyone call the turn and wait for the river to pop it if a diamond doesn't fall? All comments, suggestions, and insults are appreciated. Thanks.


Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (10 handed)

UTG+2 (t850)
MP1 (t1230)
MP2 (t1095)
MP3 (t825)
CO (t895)
Hero (t980)
SB (t910)
BB (t915)
UTG (t1300)
UTG+1 (t1000)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls t20, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, <font color="CC3333">CO raises to t40</font>, Hero calls t40, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls t20.

Flop: (t150) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="CC3333">CO bets t20</font>, Hero calls t20, UTG calls t20.

Turn: (t210) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">UTG bets t150</font>, CO calls t150, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to t810</font>, UTG folds, CO folds.

Final Pot: t1320
<font color="green">Main Pot: t660 (t660), won by Hero.</font>
<font color="green">Pot 2: t660 (t660), returned to Hero.</font>

Results in white below: <font color="white">
No showdown. Hero wins t1320. </font>

[Jason Strasser]

Purdy flop.

I dont really like the call on the flop, because the bet was just too small. If he made a pot bet, I have no problem with calling, and hoping that UTG called as well. However, I'd tend to make a decent reraise here to about 80-100. Then I'd lead the turn. If he bet the pot, I'd call and raise the turn.

If a diamond came it would not slow me down at all unless there were some very unusual betting patterns.

[Beavis68]

I dont see any reason to get greedy, you took a nice pot.

[TL Price]

Not this this directly addresses your concern about betting, but I had this hand last night at PokerRoom (on the bubble no less) and was knocked out in 4th.

Had 7-8 clubs on button. Call in an unraised pot with other 2 players and the Big Stack (in SB).

Flop comes 5,6,9 (2 spades).

Large stack (Small Blind) bets 20% of my stack, 1 other call, I move-in. SB calls, remaining player folds.

Of course, he is on a flush draw, and spikes the K of spades on the river /images/graemlins/frown.gif

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Bottom line, I think if there is any reason to beleive that the opponent is holding a decent 2nd best hand, you can easily put in a pot sized raise. With UTG betting 150 and then throwing away his hand on your turn reraise, I don't think you were going to get anything else. Unless they got help (and you don't want them getting help), it is going to be a double check to you if they don't make their hands on the river and either a large bet or reraise to you if they do.

I would put in a pot sized raise on the turn everytime. I think you made the right move. I am also glad that you won your pot /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[37offsuit]

CO's got to be chasing the flush, so I think this was a pretty good move. Better to win T600 than lose all your chips if the river came with a diamond. You have to make it incorrect for them to chase, especially considering that other hands could have tied you if a Q or K fell on the river as well. This is the second best result you can get, other than someone incorrectly chasing and missing.

[spacemonkey57]

Thanks for the inputall. I guess I felt like I should have made more because I'm running so good right now that it seems like I'm always doubling up on hands like this. Ended up second in the tournament.

[MercTec]

I agree that you made it mathematically incorrect for him to chase for the flush, but I personally think it was a tad overkill. At that point of the two t150 calls, the pot was at t510. Even though its only a $5 tourney, they know they aren't getting pot odds to draw out to have to call and additional t660. I probably make it 600 to go. If i did the math right, I believe that even if they both call the pot odds aren't there. 600 may entice a call for the draw, and if they hit, so what, in the long run thats the right play.

[AA suited]

i would have raised pot on the flop. i'm just too afraid of the 3rd diamond hitting.

if my pot raise was called, and a 3rd diamond hit on the turn, i would have folded to a big bet.

Does that make me weak/passive???

And what would you done if a 3rd diamond hit on the turn and opponent makes a pot size bet?

[spacemonkey57]

Early on in the tournament like this with the pot still relatively small if the third diamond had hit on the turn and someone had made a pot sized bet I would have folded without hesitation. I don't know if that makes me weak tight or not.

[patrick dicaprio]

that is the right play. many times you will get called here becasue he could have AT or AJ and put you on the draw.

Pat