View Full Version : MIN win percentage you'd take for 50% of what you are worth
1800GAMBLER
06-15-2004, 02:59 PM
So you have to gamble 50% of what you are worth on a coin flip that you chose the odds on it landing heads, what's the MIN percentage you'd take and why? i.e. it will land heads 60% would you take it or want more? What chances would you want for everything you are worth?
stoxtrader
06-15-2004, 03:05 PM
this is going to be a personal question for everyone and relates to their financial position in life and ability/willingness to assume risk.
For me, I have a comfortable life with a mortgage and two kids. For me to gamble all of my worth I think I would need a 100% guarantee on success.
To gamble 50% of my worth I think I would need an 80% win rate.
As an example only, if I was worth 500k, then losing 250k would hurt me much much more than winning 250k would gain me. As my net worth increases, the marginal utility (additional enjoyment/satisfaction) I get out of each additional dollar decreases.
stox.
Doctaprofit
06-15-2004, 03:09 PM
i dont think marginal utility applies to money, most people can never have enough...
astroglide
06-15-2004, 03:44 PM
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most people can never have enough...
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that is certainly true of your mother.
prairieboy
06-15-2004, 03:51 PM
10 years ago, I'd wager 1/2 my net worth on a 51% probability. Of course, I was single, debt free, and broke back then.
Today, I'd wager 1/2 my net worth on a 85% probability. Of course I'm married with 2 kids, have car & mortgage obligations, and am worth considerably more.
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i dont think marginal utility applies to money, most people can never have enough...
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I can tell you categorically that it does and you are wrong.
Paul2432
06-15-2004, 04:04 PM
I assume this is a one time only offer. That is, if I lose I cannot bet 50% of whatever my remaining net worth is at the same odds.
That said, I would say 65%. Most of my money is in retirement accounts that I won't need for a long time. Losing won't hurt that badly. Winning might let me retire a few years sooner.
A related question: At a 50% chance of loss what minimum return would you need to risk 50% of your net worth. I would say around 1.5:1 for me.
Paul
Doctaprofit
06-15-2004, 04:05 PM
Its all theory anyway
ZeeJustin
06-15-2004, 04:07 PM
My living expenses are minimal, and 50% of my net worth is a sufficient bankroll for the games I play in, so I would do this with a 55% chance of winning.
dana33
06-15-2004, 04:42 PM
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i dont think marginal utility applies to money, most people can never have enough...
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You seem not to grasp the concept of marginal utility. It does not mean that as you become richer, you say "no more!" at some point -- i.e., it does not mean that the value of an extra dollar drops below zero. It does mean that an extra $1000 when you're broke is much more significant to you than an extra $1000 when you already have a million.
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Its all theory anyway
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What you said is still wrong.
BigBiceps
06-15-2004, 04:57 PM
to risk 50% of my net worth, I would have to win 95% of the time.
to risk 100% of my net worth, I would have to win 99.99% of the time.
I am somewhat risk averse.
Analyst
06-15-2004, 06:25 PM
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i dont think marginal utility applies to money, most people can never have enough...
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Not correct, although most people have a fairly large range where their risk tolerance makes the absolute value of the wager irrelevant.
ZeeJustin
06-16-2004, 02:54 PM
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to risk 50% of my net worth, I would have to win 95% of the time.
to risk 100% of my net worth, I would have to win 99.99% of the time.
I am somewhat risk averse.
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Quit poker now.
What about the looney who gambled everything on a roulette spin, obviously getting worse than 50% chance of winning. Especially crazy seeing as he sold everything he owned for about 20% of its value and what he won wouldn't even buy a decent flat in London.
Bob T.
06-16-2004, 06:31 PM
Quit poker now.
He doesn't need to quit poker, he just need to play for a small percentage of his net worth.
jasonHoldEm
06-16-2004, 06:51 PM
Hmmm...if I gamble with half of my (negative) net worth and lose does this put me in a better situation?
Richard Berg
06-17-2004, 01:45 AM
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i dont think marginal utility applies to money, most people can never have enough...
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So you wouldn't mind, say, a regressive income tax?
pzhon
06-17-2004, 06:47 AM
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Its all theory anyway
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So is the theory of gravity.
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