05-16-2002, 09:57 AM
I was playing in a small legal cardroom. Very soft PLHE game, one pretty good aggressive player who is also the floorman in the cardroom, and five fish. The biggest fish, an Omaha player, who settled for the only game going, holdem, has just sat down, lost his first two buyins of about $100 each.
Fish calls a pot raise by the floorman (UTG) preflop in the BB.
Flop comes, Q2J, Fish bets pot, Floorman calls. Turn blank, Fish bets half his remaining stack, about 50, floorman calls. River blank, fish goes all-in, floorman ponders for quite a while and calls very reluctantly.
Now here it comes: Fish shows only one of his cards, a deuce for a lousy pair of deuces, and thinking he cannot win, mucks the other card face down. Floorman (unbelievable call) mucks his AKo, no pair. Everybody is quite stunned at this result.
BUT: Dealer pushes pot to floorman. FLoorman himself protests, saying Fish won the pot. Dealer says, Fish mucked one of his cards, and thus his hand was to be considered dead according to house rules. Silence. Floorman says, he does not care, pot is pushed to Fish. But dealer insists on ruling, defending his decision. Berates fish and tells him, a split pot would be the best he could hope for, takes pot away from him and splits it!
Floorman does not say anything.
Pot is split, fish announces "seat open", gets up, is visibly upset, spills a drink out of nervousness (anger?) and leaves the casino.
This is the worst ruling I have seen. Although the house rules are correctly applied, the fish did not know that and it was a first time offense. There is NO question that he would have lost the money back, most likely to the floorman, as he had good position on him and played well. The floorman could not care about the money, as he usually plays a lot higher. He should, however care about the customer!
This decision made the game a lot worse, destroyed a warm and fuzzy atmosphere and alienated the biggest fish.
I spoke to the Fish later and he did not mind losing the money, but he said: "I came to play OMaha, settled for playing holdem, but like this it is no fun!"
Comments?
Greets, Stephan
Fish calls a pot raise by the floorman (UTG) preflop in the BB.
Flop comes, Q2J, Fish bets pot, Floorman calls. Turn blank, Fish bets half his remaining stack, about 50, floorman calls. River blank, fish goes all-in, floorman ponders for quite a while and calls very reluctantly.
Now here it comes: Fish shows only one of his cards, a deuce for a lousy pair of deuces, and thinking he cannot win, mucks the other card face down. Floorman (unbelievable call) mucks his AKo, no pair. Everybody is quite stunned at this result.
BUT: Dealer pushes pot to floorman. FLoorman himself protests, saying Fish won the pot. Dealer says, Fish mucked one of his cards, and thus his hand was to be considered dead according to house rules. Silence. Floorman says, he does not care, pot is pushed to Fish. But dealer insists on ruling, defending his decision. Berates fish and tells him, a split pot would be the best he could hope for, takes pot away from him and splits it!
Floorman does not say anything.
Pot is split, fish announces "seat open", gets up, is visibly upset, spills a drink out of nervousness (anger?) and leaves the casino.
This is the worst ruling I have seen. Although the house rules are correctly applied, the fish did not know that and it was a first time offense. There is NO question that he would have lost the money back, most likely to the floorman, as he had good position on him and played well. The floorman could not care about the money, as he usually plays a lot higher. He should, however care about the customer!
This decision made the game a lot worse, destroyed a warm and fuzzy atmosphere and alienated the biggest fish.
I spoke to the Fish later and he did not mind losing the money, but he said: "I came to play OMaha, settled for playing holdem, but like this it is no fun!"
Comments?
Greets, Stephan