bernie
06-09-2004, 09:55 AM
Originally posted in mid stakes.
This hand reminded me alot about GuyOnTilt's old thread about folding when you know you're beaten regardless of pot size. I fully agreed with his take on it. Putting it in practice? Well, sometimes I just have to see what i already know is there. A losing hand by me.
Not sure how much discussion this may cause, if any, but i'll give it a shot. This is more about trusting your read than the play of AA. This just happens to be the example in practice.
Included are my thoughts during the hand. Still not sure if this is good to include, but i figure you should have the same info i have. Thoughts on this are also welcome.
Muck 10-20 full game.
I open raise in EP with AA, Folded to sb who 3 bets, i cap, sb calls.
SB: Loose player, can chase, but a tight raiser/3 bettor. He's low on chips, but he'd have to really bet a couple streets to go all in. I dont think this is a typical, 'just get all in' hand for him. He has a hand. A typical looser players tight sb 3 bet hand.
Flop Q J 4 Two tone. not my tones.
sb checks, i bet he calls rather slowly/deliberately. I smell a rat. I know this way that he calls. The way he puts his chips in. Ive played with this player alot and tonight i have a great line on him. He would bet out/maybe c/r with a top pair/2 pair. Against me, he may go for the c/r since he knows i tend to be aggressive when im in. Especially after i capped preflop. He knows ill bet if checked to on the flop. Anyways, if he has those, id have heard from him. A draw? Given his narrow range of hands he'd play like this preflop, the draw is negligible. Remote possibility at best.
Turn some blank piece of crap.
sb checks. He checks like he's waiting for me to bet. I can just see me getting checkraised here. i check. I think he has a set. So much so I almost say so out loud, 'nice set, (name)'. It's that clear in my head.
River T no flush.
sb bets out quickly. He seems to not want to miss another bet that he missed on the turn when he missed his c/r.
Here's the thing...What can i beat that he'd have? If my read is a little off, the only other hand he'd play this way would be AK. KK is the only possibility that i could beat. The only one. He wouldnt be 3 betting preflop with AJ or worse. He would not bet a J on the end here. It has to be stronger than that since i played it somewhat like AK myself. Which correlates a little doubt about him having KK. Though it is possible. He'd be less likely to bet KK than a set or better here if he held it. Though he could still do it.
I think have an easy fold here. BUT i called, like a typical mope that ignores a beautiful read and still blows the bet.
He shows QQ.
Pisses me off when i do this. It's not much, only 1BB, but it can add up. Read a guy like a book and still pay him off. Dammit.
anyways,
Thoughts/comments/related stories are welcome.
b
This hand reminded me alot about GuyOnTilt's old thread about folding when you know you're beaten regardless of pot size. I fully agreed with his take on it. Putting it in practice? Well, sometimes I just have to see what i already know is there. A losing hand by me.
Not sure how much discussion this may cause, if any, but i'll give it a shot. This is more about trusting your read than the play of AA. This just happens to be the example in practice.
Included are my thoughts during the hand. Still not sure if this is good to include, but i figure you should have the same info i have. Thoughts on this are also welcome.
Muck 10-20 full game.
I open raise in EP with AA, Folded to sb who 3 bets, i cap, sb calls.
SB: Loose player, can chase, but a tight raiser/3 bettor. He's low on chips, but he'd have to really bet a couple streets to go all in. I dont think this is a typical, 'just get all in' hand for him. He has a hand. A typical looser players tight sb 3 bet hand.
Flop Q J 4 Two tone. not my tones.
sb checks, i bet he calls rather slowly/deliberately. I smell a rat. I know this way that he calls. The way he puts his chips in. Ive played with this player alot and tonight i have a great line on him. He would bet out/maybe c/r with a top pair/2 pair. Against me, he may go for the c/r since he knows i tend to be aggressive when im in. Especially after i capped preflop. He knows ill bet if checked to on the flop. Anyways, if he has those, id have heard from him. A draw? Given his narrow range of hands he'd play like this preflop, the draw is negligible. Remote possibility at best.
Turn some blank piece of crap.
sb checks. He checks like he's waiting for me to bet. I can just see me getting checkraised here. i check. I think he has a set. So much so I almost say so out loud, 'nice set, (name)'. It's that clear in my head.
River T no flush.
sb bets out quickly. He seems to not want to miss another bet that he missed on the turn when he missed his c/r.
Here's the thing...What can i beat that he'd have? If my read is a little off, the only other hand he'd play this way would be AK. KK is the only possibility that i could beat. The only one. He wouldnt be 3 betting preflop with AJ or worse. He would not bet a J on the end here. It has to be stronger than that since i played it somewhat like AK myself. Which correlates a little doubt about him having KK. Though it is possible. He'd be less likely to bet KK than a set or better here if he held it. Though he could still do it.
I think have an easy fold here. BUT i called, like a typical mope that ignores a beautiful read and still blows the bet.
He shows QQ.
Pisses me off when i do this. It's not much, only 1BB, but it can add up. Read a guy like a book and still pay him off. Dammit.
anyways,
Thoughts/comments/related stories are welcome.
b