Did you know this about Party Poker?

[spydog]

I've been playing PP for 5 months and just discovered this feature. I'm sure most people know about this, but I thought I'd post it anyway.

In the upper right-hand corner of the screen, there are 2 white links. One is labeled something like 'This hand: #630,003,023' and the other is 'Last hand: #630,001,876'.

By clicking on either of these links, you get a dialog box that shows the hand history at the table. By clicking on a particular hand you can see what someone called the river with, even if they didn't show their hand. This is a pretty cool thing, especially helpful against new opponents.

[ctv1116]

Yes, I just discovered it about 3 months ago myself; its a very cool feature. Some don't like it, because in a casino or a home game, you've got to deal with the ridicule that comes with asking to see mucked cards. Of course, everyone (that knows about it) can use it, so its not an unfair advantage/disadvantage.

[MD2020]

Very handy feature. I've just started out playing on Party, playing .5/1. Since the players at that level aren't very good, it's amazing to see what some of the players have at the end. I've seen the people cal me down with A high after it should be clear that I have that beat.

[ssomega]

Mine says that the player didnt show his hand.

[MicroBob]

it will say 'didn't show hand' if a player bets and you folded at showdown.
he takes the pot and didn't show his hand.

however, if any bets were called at show-down then the losing hands will appear in the history regardless of whether they were shown at the table or not.

this is related to the 'show all hands' rule at live casino poker. a player can request that all hands that make it to showdown be shown to the table.


party dropped this feature for a little while and then borought it back 2 or 3 months ago (i think).
it is extremely useful for taking notes on some of your fishier opponents who called you all the way down and you couldn't figure out what in the world they had. more often than not they had close to nothing.

[MD2020]

If they fold, then they don't show their hand. If the call and then muck, you can check it out and find out what they had.

I basically due it out of curiousity.

[unome]

Outside of the great games, this is hands down the best feature of Party. I discovered it as well about 2 or 3 months ago. (Is it new? I've been playing on party for almost a year now) ANY hand that I have any questions about what people are calling with, I check. A great tool if you know how to use it. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[MicroBob]

i posted a couple weeks ago a situation that happens occasionally with me.

i'm betting strong and getting called the whole way.
i take it down and they call and muck at showdown.

i check and see what they have and then they tell me 'nice river. thought my Q's would be good.'
to which i said 'did you think your 8's looked like Q's??'
obviously he wasn't aware that i could check what he had.

i don't recommend doing what i did (and i already got admonished in the internet-forum for it)....
i certainly would have been better not letting him know that i caught his lie. but i couldn't resist poking fun at the guy who was trying to lie about what he had while also trying to indicate that i had somehow lucked out and caught up to him .

[Minnow]

I've just started using it also. One thing I don't like about it is at the table you can only view what was exposed at showdown. They only show all the opponents upcards, including the ones who folded before the river, if you have the results of the hand sent to your e-mail account. /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[sthief09]

you used to be able to see what they mucked only through hand histories. they added this feature a few months ago.

[Soggy Salmon]

Hehe, It is funny when they lie about their cards, not knowing about the hand history. Usually I just laugh to myself and make a note but sometimes I can't resist saying something like, "Oh, you had the straight? I would have put you on something like [whatever his cards really were]."

I have always thought it would be funny to mess with one of these guys. Keep calling out your "reads" after every hand he went to showdown with. Start by being a card off, then the right cards, then calling the exact suits. Until he either accuses you of cheating or figures it out. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[Minnow]

I was thinking of 7stud when I wrote that. I've been playing lots of it lately

[Kevroc]

Just for the record I don't think the feature is ethical. This is coming from a guy who doesnt like lipstick cameras either. Vast minority, i know i know... /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[unome]

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Just for the record I don't think the feature is ethical. This is coming from a guy who doesnt like lipstick cameras either. Vast minority, i know i know...

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Well, at least you admit you are in the minority... /images/graemlins/wink.gif

but seriously, how is this unethical? In B&M play every player has the right to see the hands that called. The winner risks being called ungrateful or a jerk for doing so, but it's his right. This goes one better step further-- you can see the cards without having to look like a jerk. What's wrong with that?

[Kevroc]

yeah i suppose you are right, the only b&m club ive played at they dont do that to you. I guess I just dont like the RULE then and theres nothing i can do about that...

Just doesnt seem right to me, I think you should only hafta show if needed, it gives too much away, oh well...

[CORed]

Curiously enough, they also call down with A high in 5/10 when it shoud be clear that they are beat. A lot of them don't realize that drawing to 3 outs is a bad idea.

[kurtcobain]

UB has it too, under "hand history". Does pokerstars have it?

[hhughes]

Wow...didnt know this feature at all...ty...it would seem 2 b really helpful if folks are taking shots at u IMO...:)

[Richard Berg]

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yeah i suppose you are right, the only b&m club ive played at they dont do that to you. I guess I just dont like the RULE then and theres nothing i can do about that...

Just doesnt seem right to me, I think you should only hafta show if needed, it gives too much away, oh well...

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If you don't want to show your cards, fold. It's that simple.

[jpym84]

nah on stars you need to request a hand history by email. but they usually get sent pretty quickly, and its not too much of a problem to request the last 5 hands in the middle of a game.

[Kevroc]

Whaddaya mean fold? The whole subject is about people seeing MUCKED cards....

[joedot]

Actually, most of the time they probably don't realize they are drawing to 3 outs. There is a lot of bull [censored] going on at these tables, so often they have the best hand when calling in these situations.

[miamikid]

I wouldn't say it's unethical. Everyone is on the same field. My opinion however is that only players that called a particular hand should be able to see the mucked cards.
The way it is now, just makes it easier to disect someone's game faster. Not really a huge deal either way.

miamikid

[miamikid]

I wouldn't say it's unethical. Everyone is on the same field. My opinion however is that only players that called a particular hand should be able to see the mucked cards.
The way it is now, just makes it easier to disect someone's game faster. Not really a huge deal either way.

miamikid

[dfscott]

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I wouldn't say it's unethical. Everyone is on the same field. My opinion however is that only players that called a particular hand should be able to see the mucked cards.
The way it is now, just makes it easier to disect someone's game faster. Not really a huge deal either way.

miamikid

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The whole reason behind the feature is that it's supposed to mimic the B&M feature of being able to request to see a mucked hand so you can detect collusion. In the B&M situation, of course, everyone knows you did it.

I think to be fair, they should add a little comment to the chat window that says something like

"dfscott looked at fishmeister's mucked hand"

[juanez]

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I think to be fair, they should add a little comment to the chat window that says something like

"dfscott looked at fishmeister's mucked hand"

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I like this idea A LOT. If the idea is to mimic B&M situations, this would be as close to live as you can get. Knowing what your opponent knows about you is valuable information.

[unome]

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I think to be fair, they should add a little comment to the chat window that says something like

"dfscott looked at fishmeister's mucked hand"


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I like this idea A LOT. If the idea is to mimic B&M situations, this would be as close to live as you can get. Knowing what your opponent knows about you is valuable information.


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Meh. Not a fan of that. It'll just provide another opportunity for people to point fingers and get upset with others for looking.

Everyone has the same right and opportunity to look at the hand history, why can't we just leave it at that? IMO I feel that identifying people who have looked at the HH will just serve to stir the pot.

[Wingnut]

Be sure to act on your next hand before looking at the on-line HH - the "Close Window" button appears right on top of the "Raise" button (and checkboxes), and a couple of times I've gone to close the window and instead raised a crappy hand when the game window came to the front /images/graemlins/blush.gif

(...or alternatively just use the "X" in the upper right corner...)

[bicyclekick]

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Be sure to act on your next hand before looking at the on-line HH - the "Close Window" button appears right on top of the "Raise" button (and checkboxes), and a couple of times I've gone to close the window and instead raised a crappy hand when the game window came to the front /images/graemlins/blush.gif

(...or alternatively just use the "X" in the upper right corner...)

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Yeah I've been looking at this for quite awhile. So helpful. I used to have to request hand histories real often, now I just look at that.

[sin808]

hahaha, I've done this a couple of times too..I learned to move the HH window to another spot on the screen as soon as it opens.

[sin808]

Lame I just did it again...and after I thought I had learned my lesson..

It did prompt me to email party though and ask them to either move the button or change where the screen pops up so you don't have that problem...guess we'll see what they say.

[juanez]

This was rather amusing: I was playing 1/2 Party last night when two guys went to a showdown. Pocket kings won and the loser mucked. The winner proceded to berate the loser for bluffing all the way with just A high.

The loser insisted that he didn't have an A (he was a good player by the way). Then the winner pointed out that we could all see his mucked A6o by looking at the hand history. Again, he insisted he had no A and said "I know my cards." I felt a little bad for the guy.

[namknils]

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This was rather amusing: I was playing 1/2 Party last night when two guys went to a showdown. Pocket kings won and the loser mucked. The winner proceded to berate the loser for bluffing all the way with just A high.

The loser insisted that he didn't have an A (he was a good player by the way). Then the winner pointed out that we could all see his mucked A6o by looking at the hand history. Again, he insisted he had no A and said "I know my cards." I felt a little bad for the guy.

[/ QUOTE ]

Sounds like this guy with KK is a real JackAss.

[donkeyradish]

Isn't it kind of lame though, that you don't always get to see all hands that call as a matter of course. Instead of having to go through the rigmarole of looking up histories. The history should be showing what the players see, and vice-versa.

[dfscott]

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Isn't it kind of lame though, that you don't always get to see all hands that call as a matter of course. Instead of having to go through the rigmarole of looking up histories. The history should be showing what the players see, and vice-versa.

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Every B&M casino that I've ever heard of allows players to muck losing hands. You have to specifically request the dealer to dig hands out of the muck if you want to see them. It's actually easier on-line, in that you get to see it without the player knowing, plus you don't get berated for doing it over and over again (like you would in a B&M casino.

[Siingo]

Thanks!!! I did not know! THANKS!!!!

[donkeyradish]

Fair enough, and it would slow the game down as well I suppose.

One thing I like about Party Poker (compared to Paradise which I also play at) is that the games run a tad faster, so you get more in per hour.