decent casino bonus, no blackjack allowed

[GrannyMae]

i used to give alot of play to the trident group casinos.

www.kingneptunescasino.com (http://www.kingneptunescasino.com)
is the biggest of them. no blackjack allowed, but it seems like JoB video poker is allowed.

may be worth a shot, and also may be worth checking for blackjack terms of their other properties at

http://www.tridentegroup.com/home.php?&bTag=indexphp_wwwtridentegroupcom&lang=e n

there is higher variance, but the risk is still small if anyone wants to try. you never know, you may hit a royal.

i suggest the 4-play JoB to reduce the variance. don't blame me if you lose it, but Paypal tips welcome on big scores.


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[Baulucky]

Do you have a link to the different types of V-Poker Basic strategy?. TIA.

[shandrakor]

www.wizardofodds.com (http://www.wizardofodds.com)

[daveymck]

Maybe I should do a search of the archives but I am lazy so will ask.

You seem to play a lot of video poker and I am wondering the rationale and aim behind it, wizard of odds has it as 99% ish return ie a losing game.

Is the idea to play optimal strategy so till you hit the jackpot therefore wiping out losses? Or is there some other reason to the play?

I expect that short term you can make a profit(or loss) from it if lucky but long term surely you are bound to be a loser.

[BradleyT]

At this casino BJ isn't allowed, so VP is the next best -EV game to play.

VP often becomes 100%+ if the casino has any type of rewards program.


http://www.casinogaming.com/columnists/dancer/100703.html

b. When you play games with a high variance, you win more on your good days and lose more on your bad days. This becomes less of a factor over time, and the return on the game becomes more important. Notice that you will lose a lot less for 9/6 Jacks than you will for 10/6 DDB or 10/7 DB at 5,000 hands, even though 9/6 Jacks returns less than 100% and the other two return more than 100%. At 100,000 hands, however, the losses for 9/6 Jacks have surpassed those for 10/7 DB and are approaching those of 10/6 DDB. If we extended this chart out to 250,000 hands, for example, you'd be losing more at 9/6 Jacks than the other two games.

c. Notice that 100,000 hands isn't CLOSE to being enough to letting the average catch up to you. Even though you're a favorite at 10/6 DDB, you'll be behind more than 3 royal flushes 10% of the time. It's no wonder that you regularly hear players complain about their bad fortune. At any given time, a large percentage of them are losing.

d. These results assume you play the games perfectly. This is a contrary-to-fact assumption for most players. If you play only 98% or 99% accurately (which is true for most players), your results will be MUCH WORSE than these numbers indicate.

[GrannyMae]

Do you have a link to the different types of V-Poker Basic strategy?

bob dancer probably has it on the web, but i only play microgaming. autoplay is my strategy.

fwiw, after playing autoplay for so long and watching while i just hit the deal/draw button has taught me perfect strategy on A&F & JoB. i'm ready for a casino machine, but the only ones in ct. are crappyass 8/5 JoB at best.

i used to play JoB progressives in mississippi and thought i was playing close to perfect strategy, but i was not. autoplay is a great VP teacher. you just have to keep your eyeball on what it is holding.

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[GrannyMae]

I expect that short term you can make a profit(or loss) from it if lucky but long term surely you are bound to be a loser.

this is absolutely correct. however, i have hit an inordinate amount of royals, and the cashback plus amazing depo bonuses make it *almost* EV+.

here is my casino rewards history:

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this does not represent $1,500,000 play through because some of it is bonuses, vip gifts, high roller rewards etc. i don't even play there much, and earned these points in less than 6 months. i have a family member who has wagered over $5 million through them, and his point total is over 900k. that means he has gotten a TON of free cash.

you can get VP play online to be EV+ the same as you can in a casino. there are a ton of people who do VP as a living. most play the progressives and fuller pay machines, but what you give up online you make back in lower expenses.

the royals i hit have me way ahead, but if i were to live too much longer i am sure i would approach even. on top of all the perks i get for regular play, it is also my entertainment, so the fact that the game itself is high variance EV- is not an issue for me personally.

i have gotten smart though, and when the big bonuses come with only 10X playthrough, i will use the BJ for some free money. i am in one of those "bored with the casino" stages, but am too much of a miser to let a juicy bonus go by, hence the recent forays into BJ.

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[Thythe]

I did King Neptune's a few months ago. It was a good time, $50 buy in and they gave an additional $100. Cashed out for $250 by the end. No royals but I had a few 4 of a kinds in there. Good times.

[Jiffy Feet]

How much do you have to wager to clear the bonus? I don't see it anywhere.

[Freudian]

Tried this. Didn't like it. The swings are brutal. From 150->250->60. Did a bit of BJ to get it up to 100 then cashed out. Unless you get lucky and get four of a kind or above in video poker, it is just a long drain on your money. And I have no idea if the autoplay is optimal, and I could see no option to customize settings.

[Homer]

Tried this. Didn't like it. The swings are brutal. From 150->250->60.

The swings are pretty big, but it has about the same house edge as blackjack.

Until you hit a royal, you are operating at a 2.5% (?) disadvantage, which really isn't that bad when bonus whoring (in other words, even if you never hit a royal, you will still profit from most of these bonuses).

Did a bit of BJ to get it up to 100 then cashed out.

I sense some fuzzy thinking.

And I have no idea if the autoplay is optimal, and I could see no option to customize settings.

I believe the decisions are based on a mathematical analysis of each possible holding, and is therefore optimal.

-- Homer

[Freudian]

I was only playing BJ for 10£ (but with 1£ bets). If I lost those 10, I quit and end up even for this casino. If I win 10 I give it another shot. I did this until I lost one 10£ session. So the fuzzy thinking that could have lost me 10£ max won me 40£. Hardly a big deal and it was refreshing to get the normality of BJ after seeing video poker hands wizz by for ages. So I was willing to sacrifice a few cents of EV for the pleasure of doing it.

[Homer]

There's nothing wrong with that, of course. I just wanted to make sure that you weren't playing some kind of progression, thinking that it was +EV.

-- Homer

[Freudian]

I imaginge there is some value in exceeding the wr also, if the casino is part of a group and you want to try to get bonuses from affiliated casinos. It is of course hard to know what casinos care and if it matters at some other casino. Stopping just a few dollars past the WR is a surefire sign that you are only in it for the bonus.