Not Nuts

[naphand]

Should I be capping this thro?

On this table we have a player who fancies himself as tricky (FancyMan) but he really isn't. Next to him is a confusing player who I have not really got a grip on yet, he could be good or appalling, he is certainly aggressive but how loose/tight I do not know yet as most of his hands have been won without a SD.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Naphand 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG folds, <font color="CC3333">Naphand raises</font>, CO calls, Button <font color="purple">(FancyMan)</font> calls, SB folds, <font color="CC3333">BB <font color="purple">(Deranged)</font> 3-bets</font>, Naphand calls, CO calls, <font color="CC3333">Button <font color="purple">(FancyMan)</font> caps</font>, BB <font color="purple">(Deranged)</font> calls, Naphand calls, CO calls.

Flop: (16.50 BB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(4 players) </font>
<font color="CC3333">Deranged bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Naphand raises</font>, CO folds, FancyMan calls, <font color="CC3333">Deranged 3-bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Naphand caps</font>, FancyMan calls, Deranged calls.

Turn: (14.25 BB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(3 players) </font>
<font color="CC3333">Deranged bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Naphand raises</font>, FancyMan folds, <font color="CC3333">Deranged 3-bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Naphand caps</font>, Deranged calls.

River: (22.25 BB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(2 players) </font>
Deranged checks, <font color="CC3333">Naphand bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Deranged raises</font>, Naphand calls.

Final Pot: 26.25 BB

Results in white below:

<font color="white">Deranged shows Jc9d and MHIG</font>

The PF cold-call and re-raise from FancyMan was just for laughs, but the River CR had me worried about T8 (if he was mad enough to raise this PF) or JJ after the previous action (esp. raising from blinds). I would certainly have raised a bet and called a 3-bet. What you say about a River CR? Was I right to slow down or am I just yeller?

[fyodor]

My thoughts went: He must have 2 pair but he can't have 3 bet J9 preflop. So I looked. And then laughed.

[naphand]

Indeed, there is much amusement in this hand, I just wish I could have seen Button's (PF 2-cold call/3-bet-cap) cards as well. I'm guessing two /images/graemlins/diamond.gif.

[Ulysses]

Oh yeah, 3-bet that river.

[Saborion]

Doesn't it seem likely that the BB has JJ?
I mean, Hero must be better than 2/3 to make that 3-bet, no?

[Vehn]

He's deranged /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
Hero raises, <font color="666666">3 folds</font>, SB <font color="purple">(Clownius Clownifer)</font> calls, BB calls,

Flop: (6 SB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
Clownius Clownifer checks, BB checks, Hero bets, Clownius Clownifer raises, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
Clownius Clownifer bets, Hero raises, Clownius Clownifer 3-bets, Hero caps, Clownius Clownifer calls.

River: (13 BB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
Clownius Clownifer bets, Hero raises, Clownius Clownifer 3-bets, Hero caps, Clownius Clownifer calls.

Final Pot: 21 BB

Results in white below: <font color="white">
Clownius Clownifer shows Ad 9c (two pair, aces and nines).
Hero shows As Kd (two pair, aces and kings).
Outcome: Hero wins 21 BB. </font>

[naphand]

Hmmmm...the question really is, without a clear read on a player, do you still 3-bet this CR every time? Clearly he was deranged - but it was this hand which confirmed that. Previously, he had shown down some legitimate hands and raised people out of a few. My read was not strong. When is the right time to slow down against a player who could be good or could be mad? Mad player - obviously cap the whole way, but where should the line be drawn, or do I dispense with the pencils?

If I 3-bet this and it is capped (likely) it's a bit late to start thinking "uh-oh". I thought "uh-oh" after the Turn and figured I should get another 2-bets in on the River and see what he does. This was not a random hand I was against, he clearly had something, the least of which was 2-pair...