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MtSmalls
06-02-2004, 11:41 AM
Reading the Gaming section of the online Las Vegas Sun, a story from the New York Times News Service related that the U.S. Marshals seized $3.5 million from Discovery Communications (the parent of Discovery Channel) that was paid to it by Tropical Paradise (parent of ParadisePoker) for advertising on the WPT and the Discovery Channel Website. The full story can be read at

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/gaming/2004/jun/01/516947109.html

Clarkmeister
06-02-2004, 11:52 AM
There are rumors here in Vegas that the Justice Department is going to go after Harrah's for accepting WSOP satellite money from the offshore poker rooms also.

Ashcroft must go.

benfranklin
06-02-2004, 12:18 PM
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There are rumors here in Vegas that the Justice Department is going to go after Harrah's for accepting WSOP satellite money from the offshore poker rooms also.
Ashcroft must go.

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What, Harrah's is accepting Costa Rican currency now? How does DOJ know where that money came from? It could have been dividend checks from an off-shore Halliburton subsidiary. Hell, Stars or Party might be a Halliburton subsidiary for all we know.

Party and Stars and the rest need to get their act together, pool some money, and hire a big-time American tort shyster like John Edwards. That might cost them like about a day's rake. Online gambling is an easy target for DOJ. It looks like they are doing something, it's an emotionally strong issue with the anti-vice crowd, and it's all being run by a bunch of dang furriners anyways, so who cares. I would think a good attorney could get an injunction against this kind of crap, and keep DOJ tied up in court until they decide they got better ways to spend our money.

Kurn, son of Mogh
06-02-2004, 12:35 PM
Besides, as much as I'd like to get rid of Ashcroft and the Bible-beaters, there isn't a shred of evidence that John Kerry has any intention of changing the DOJ's approach to offshore gaming sites. Didn't Barney Frank take his own party to task saying something like (and I paraphrase here) "gambling is to liberals what pornography is to conservatives."

benfranklin
06-02-2004, 12:55 PM
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there isn't a shred of evidence that John Kerry has any intention of changing the DOJ's approach to offshore gaming sites.

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You mean this an issue that Kerry hasn't come out on both sides of yet? If nothing else, a change of administration would take the heat off this relatively minor issue while they all concentrated on important stuff, like who gets what office, and his desk is bigger than mine, and let's investigate those crooks in the previous administration.

But ulitmately, Kerry is of the liberal school that believes us common folk are too stupid to make decisions for ourselves, and need to be protected by Big Brother. You are right that it is highly improbable that a Kerry administration would do anything to legalize it. The question is what would they do, if anything, to try to shut it down. The only bright spot is that internet gambling should be relatively low on the list of priorities. It just isn't a big enough issue with the special interest groups and the swing voters now.

I've got it, let's form the NPA, the National Poker Association. A big lobbying group, putting pressure on lawmakers to legalize online poker. "They can shut down my Party account when they pry my mouse from my cold, dead hand."

Clarkmeister
06-02-2004, 01:17 PM
"Kerry is of the liberal school that believes us common folk are too stupid to make decisions for ourselves, and need to be protected by Big Brother."

As far as I can see, we've never had an administration that was more like Big Brother than the current one. I find it hard to imagine that Kerry could be any worse.

Kurn, son of Mogh
06-02-2004, 01:17 PM
If nothing else, a change of administration would take the heat off this relatively minor issue while they all concentrated on important stuff, like who gets what office, and his desk is bigger than mine, and let's investigate those crooks in the previous administration.

Yes, indeed. When the incumbent loses the Presidency, there is a period of relative gridlock, and we libertarians love gridlock.

benfranklin
06-02-2004, 01:47 PM
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"Kerry is of the liberal school that believes us common folk are too stupid to make decisions for ourselves, and need to be protected by Big Brother."

As far as I can see, we've never had an administration that was more like Big Brother than the current one. I find it hard to imagine that Kerry could be any worse.

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The lines are starting to blur. But I still think that philosophically, liberals are much more concerned about micro-managing individual lives than are conservatives. I think that DOJ's action against internet gambling is more reflective of Ashcroft's puritanical soul than of administration policy. I don't think Bush minds people doing a little drinking and gambling. I think Ashcroft lays awake nights, worrying that someone might be having fun somewhere.

benfranklin
06-02-2004, 01:55 PM
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Yes, indeed. When the incumbent loses the Presidency, there is a period of relative gridlock, and we libertarians love gridlock.

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I think that history shows that the country does best in terms of jobs, growth, civil liberties, etc., when one party is in the White House and the other controls Congress. Doesn't matter which is which. Some say this is because they compromise to find the best parts of both sides. I am cynical and believe that it is because they are too busy fighting with each other to get anything done, which is to the benefit of the country.

sfer
06-02-2004, 02:39 PM
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...and we libertarians love gridlock.

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So did Madison, at least when he wrote The Federalist #10. But maybe that's what you were saying?

TJSWAN
06-02-2004, 02:59 PM
Ahh yes, once again our government, instead of legalizing something they could tax the heck out of, is doing another good job of wasting everyone's time and $$ trying to stop something that really can't be stopped.

Remember prohibition anyone???

Tim

PS, Who's next ? 2+2 ?

LikesToLose
06-02-2004, 04:25 PM
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Remember prohibition anyone???

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I wonder why you imply that it is gone?

TJSWAN
06-02-2004, 05:00 PM
Uhhhhhh, cause I was referring specifically to the 21st amendment repealed in 1933. Sorry, I live in California and forget some states and counties still have strange liquor laws. I think I heard once that Jack Daniel's is made in a dry county. /images/graemlins/confused.gif

Any one know?

Tim

Kurn, son of Mogh
06-02-2004, 05:24 PM
He's actually talking about the current prohibition on other intoxicants.

TJSWAN
06-02-2004, 05:44 PM
I thought so, but was trying to cite the " old fashioned " prohibition as an example. I thought I implied the " other " type of prohibition in my first part of the thread. And I agree the current prohibition of one substance in particular is a joke!


Tim

MicroBob
06-02-2004, 05:54 PM
i believe this is true (about Jack Daniels)...not sure though.

Kentucky can be one wacky state.

i was driving through the elizibethtown, ky area a few years ago (western kentucky) and there was a radio station providing continuous coverage of the vote that night.

the minister was being interviewed etc etc.
the county voted 56% - 44% or something to stay dry. the guy being interviewed said that it was bound to come up again on the ballot in 3 years and they were determined to defeat it again at that time.


my dad was driving up to Cincy for a wedding a couple months ago and stopped on the way at a hotel (which we think was in the same area where i heard the radio program 5 or 6 years ago).

he wanted to get some beer to drink in his hotel room and found out he had to drive 15-20 miles to cross the county-line just to get a 6-pack.
so evidently, the E-Town dry-contingent has won a couple more votes since i heard the radio-coverage.


as i said before...kentucky can be one wacky state.

Roy Munson
06-02-2004, 06:25 PM
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Jack Daniels is made in Tennessee instead of Kentucky.

It is also true that in many counties in Tennessee you must find underground sources for anything stronger than beer and wine.

Kurn, son of Mogh
06-02-2004, 06:30 PM
In Massachusetts there are many dry towns not far from Boston.

TJSWAN
06-02-2004, 06:44 PM
Had a few minutes and found this site (http://www.usatourist.com/english/places/tennessee/lynchburg.html) which confirms what I thought.

Does seem kinda silly.

Tim

slamdunkpro
06-03-2004, 12:07 PM
Yes sadly it's true. Moore County TN is Dry.

Bubbagump
06-03-2004, 12:16 PM
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In Massachusetts there are many dry towns not far from Boston.

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Very true Kurn, but at least we can buy liquor on Sundays now (in the wet towns anyway). Times, they are a'changin'! /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Bubbagump

andyfox
06-03-2004, 12:47 PM
"Who's next ? 2+2 ?"

It's certainly a possibility. I see ads right now as I type this for Absolute Poker, Party Poker, Nutz Poker, and JetSet Poker.

fleece_me
06-05-2004, 01:51 AM
There is a party out there that believes in freedom and personal responsibility

Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose (http://www.lp.org)

Jim Kuhn
06-05-2004, 02:17 AM
Try this link and read the issues: Stop Big Government. (http://www.lp.org/issues/)

adios
06-05-2004, 02:40 AM
Party Poker advertises on CNBC's Squawk Box an early morning financial show.

adios
06-05-2004, 02:42 AM
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Ashcroft must go.

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He is going even if Bush gets elected for a second term. Apparently Bush and Ashcroft don't get along all that well.

SinCityGuy
06-05-2004, 04:34 AM
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Party Poker advertises on CNBC's Squawk Box an early morning financial show.

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That would be partypoker.net, an online site with tutorials on learning how to play poker.

MontyBurns
06-07-2004, 06:06 PM
my .02. We have an attorney general who thinks dancing is a sin. Who covered up the exposed breasts of a STATUE! Think about it. The head law officer in the land is "uncomfortable" around a sculpted breast. His new crusade is pornography, a billions of dollars per year industry for adults. He's also spent much time and money imprisoning Tommy Chong for selling bongs on the internet. Forget about the crooks on Wall Street, the Arthur Anderson's, Enron rigging the market for electricity.... These rodent-like ulta right wing bible thumpers are trying to run your life and mine. Gambling, porn, bong hits, this is what America is all about! Without them we're just East Germany. At least a Kerry administration wouldn't outlaw gambling because 'the bible says so'

GWB
06-07-2004, 06:58 PM
You guys need to distinguish between stated policy and what will actually happen. The GOP was stung by 3 gubernatorial loses in 1998 over gambling issues (slots/lottery in AL,GA,SC).

We have to talk to our base of voters, but won't implement much of anything of an anti-gambling nature. So relax and vote for me.

W